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Post by Dragon*of*Heaven on Aug 6, 2005 2:05:34 GMT -5
Hey guys its been a weird night but I got yet another question for you. Ok now I hear every where that heaven is a wonderful place. I hear that it is a wonderful happy happy place. I see people running to church to catch what they hope is a glimpse of this beauty. And I am told it is where people go after they die. So my question is why don't I see people being baptized and then being committed to God. Why if this place is so beautiful and its God so wonderful doesn't every person flock to be with him for an eternity?
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Post by pieisgood on Aug 6, 2005 12:40:35 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think suicide is a sin. "Flocking to be with him" will shoot you down to hell.
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Post by twobirds on Aug 6, 2005 15:01:30 GMT -5
Hey guys its been a weird night but I got yet another question for you. Ok now I hear every where that heaven is a wonderful place. I hear that it is a wonderful happy happy place. I see people running to church to catch what they hope is a glimpse of this beauty. And I am told it is where people go after they die. So my question is why don't I see people being baptized and then being committed to God. Why if this place is so beautiful and its God so wonderful doesn't every person flock to be with him for an eternity? If a person was to do that how would the church collect all the money you were going to donate over their life time? Plus you'd have no one to brain wash every sunday morning. Also if your the preacher and haven't committed yourself to god yet, why would anyone else?
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Post by Dragon*of*Heaven on Aug 6, 2005 22:19:46 GMT -5
All good points but thats just it the entire faith basis of christianity is a labarinth of loop holes. But the base point still remains what God would want to subject its followers to such torture.
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Post by created101 on Nov 27, 2005 5:40:23 GMT -5
Why do people chose sex before marrige? drugs? and all other cheap thrills that will put u on a tempory high, but leave u stuffed in the end. the same reason they choose seperation from God over eternity in paradise. we are looking forward to wat is unseen, not at the temporary, which is nothing compared to the promise we have in Jesus
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Post by The Reservoir Dog on Nov 27, 2005 15:14:41 GMT -5
So the promise of what makes us happy now that we can see, touch, feel, and experience is nothing compared to something that is not real. And theists tell me I'm confused!
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Post by vertigo on Nov 27, 2005 19:41:58 GMT -5
Created, that's a false dichotomy. Have you heard of existentialists? Not everyone cares for what you call 'the temporary'. They don't all turn to god, because it's just as much a crock as 'the temporary' is. It is inventing a 'permanent' to fill the void. How is that better? It's no enlightened state.
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bare
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Post by bare on Mar 3, 2006 10:29:39 GMT -5
vertigo i know this post has been here awhile but could you please expand on your post
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Post by vertigo on Mar 3, 2006 15:29:32 GMT -5
Bare, I just meant that there are people who neither turn to God nor "sex, drugs and rock 'n roll" as it were. It seemed to me that Created was positing Christianity as the better alternative to that materialistic lifestyle.
Some people figure God need not exist but nevertheless face up to that and search for meaning. There are hedonists who party, take drugs, etc, there are altruists who live to serve other people, to leave their mark, there are existentialists who live to be true to their ideals in the face of meaningless, there are nihilists who think 'anything goes', etc.
And if we compare all these people, we notice something in common, they have a will to meaning. They want their lives to mean something, whether it be getting into heaven or being true to one's ideals. If we are searching for meaning because we are unhappy but we are unhappy because there seems to be no meaning, it's a truism, isn't it? If we accept that there is no ultimate meaning, it should no longer make us unhappy because we have accepted it.
We didn't choose the world we were born into. All we have is how we act, how we live. To live in misery for something you weren't responsible for seems rather strange, doesn't it? The greatest act is to live your life how you would wish it to be lived, in spite of meaning/God/etc. To say "this is my life and I am going to live it" is the most admirable thing, to say "I choose not to live" is the most contemptible.
But can such a life be a happy life? It can, for you are living not merely to live but to live a life as it should be lived, a purpose more real than any God ever provided. An honest life is a life worth living, a life you can be proud of as you lie on your deathbed.
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Post by bare on Mar 5, 2006 11:45:30 GMT -5
ahhhh well put and expanded
appreciate it
im inclined to agree strongly with it
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Post by snafui on Jul 14, 2006 21:13:39 GMT -5
Are you stating that sex before marraige is a bad thing (aka sinful)?
Because nature does not agree with this. Humans are not designed for monogamy. The shape and function of the sexual organs are specifically designed to handle multiple partners.
Men are designed to inpregnate as many women as possible, aka the shotgun approach. Women are designed to carry one child at a time, aka the sharpshooter. Monogamy was developed because it was the best system to help maintain an orderly society; mostly to make men responsible for their children and to be able to establish paternity. This is a very taxing and flawed system especially when considering that 65% of women and 75% of men "cheat" on their spouses. And this is not a new behavior either, genetic testing has found that this has been the case for a long, long time.
As far as history goes, do you know what the illegitimacy rate is (outside the welfare system)? It's about 30%. Do you know what it was about a hundred years ago? About 30%. And can you guess the rate when the Pilgrims came to the American continent? Yep, about 30%. Keep in mind that these are the people that had sex and got caught because of pregnancy. Sex before marraige is a norm. Monogamy is a societal practice not necessarily a religious one.
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Post by Dragon*of*Heaven on Jul 27, 2006 10:45:32 GMT -5
Vertigo Very Nice post I strongly agree with you on this one. Snafui I would like to use this information do you have any source information for it? It could be very useful in philosophy class. All in all I believe that every one has to find there own meaning to life. However is it that some people need religion for the unity it provides?
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Post by snafui on Jul 27, 2006 11:47:24 GMT -5
Wasn't sure which comment you were refering to, so... Unfortunately no, it was a lecture from Proffesor Leonard Bernstien at Boise State. I am taking him at his word on that one, sorry. But do consider, they don't call them "shotgun weddings" because they are uncommon. There are some articles on the net out there, but they required paid subscription. Found some books on Amazon.com on the history of illegitamacy. There wouldn't be statistical data kept to far back; most of the knowledge came from diaries and townships forcing marriage to maintain a family for the child. If you meant the other part, it's mostly from TLC and Discovery shows on Sexology, mixed with what the book by George Gilder titled "Men and Marriage" states. I can't get to it now, it's buried in a box in my garage. This link my be the video you'll want to see: shopping.discovery.com/product-57985.html?jzid=40588040-0-0 There is a particular doctor, female, blondish hair and is a twin, she makes a reference to being a clone, I can't find her name, but she is one hell of an authority on the subject. If you want more data from me on how we are designed for multiple partners. Send me a private message. It can be quite graphic.
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Post by Unbeliever on Jul 28, 2006 19:05:06 GMT -5
Ok now I hear every where that heaven is a wonderful place. I hear that it is a wonderful happy happy place. Well, it coudn't be too perfect, since it's possible to have war there: Rev 12:7
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Post by necroshine on Jul 29, 2006 7:48:56 GMT -5
good one unbeliever. hmmm. heaven must be the middle east.
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