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Post by Hilly on May 1, 2006 19:12:14 GMT -5
Isn't it absurd to live for no ultimate purpose? Depends on what your definition of "ultimate purpose" is I suppose. A Christians ultimate purpose would be to get to heaven. I guess one could say if there is indeed no life after death then there may indeed not be a ultimate purpose, but that is not to say that life is not without purpose, and that purpose can be fulfilling.
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Post by guerrillasaint on May 2, 2006 0:56:34 GMT -5
Hearing from God isn't all in the head that is what is wrong with your model. He is like the wind you may not be able to see it but you know it is there by the fact that it can move things.
When you pray you are communicating to God. You have to want to hear him. If you never want to hear him then you wont. It works both ways.
If you asked God who he is and he tells you because you truly wanted to know it won't be making connections that aren't there. He may answer your question by making you go through somethings that will show you who he is.
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Post by guerrillasaint on May 2, 2006 1:07:11 GMT -5
my ultimate purpose is not to get to heaven but to grow closer to God.
what is your purpose?
also what make God an absurdity?
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Post by vertigo on May 2, 2006 12:05:48 GMT -5
You like to spout this PR line. Of course, if you were to be a Christian only to get into heaven, you wouldn't qualify for heaven. So then you want to "grow closer".
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Post by guerrillasaint on May 3, 2006 0:02:42 GMT -5
Heaven isn't my ultimate Goal because I was guaranteed a spot when I gave my life to Christ and prayed the prayer of salvation. Still God promised that he would give his follower a lot more than just Heaven. I want to learn how to have an abundant life through Christ. As I grow as a Christian my relationship with God also grows and I continue to want to know more about him.
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Post by vertigo on May 3, 2006 13:48:39 GMT -5
I will merely quote from Luke 13:
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Post by Dragon*of*Heaven on May 3, 2006 18:46:27 GMT -5
Ok Gurrilasaint I wont question the fact that your are a Christian or even a good person, I leave that to Vertigo. Frankly I don't care how good a Christian you are all I want to know is by what reasonable basis God can exist. Also I would like to hear one indisputable argument to the existence of God. Further more I would like to point out a problem with your analogy on wind. Yes the wind moves things this is a verifiable fact, the problem with your analogy is that I can see wind moving things and if I turn to a billion people and ask them I wont find one who says no. (save one of your fanatics who say God or Gremlins moved it of course) Also I can feel the wind as it hits me. And I can feel my shirt move. The problem with your analogy is that there is no verifiable fact in it. Lets say I was a religious fanatic so long as I did not ask other fanatics like my self I would not get people saying to me that God made my aunt's, friend's, brother's, nephew's, cousin once removed, well again after about with lukimia. No I would get that the drugs and kimo theripy did it for him. Please Give us something we can use Guerrillasaint.
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Post by guerrillasaint on May 4, 2006 2:21:03 GMT -5
Well I have already told you how to get in touch with God. You may not consider it solid enough or something you can work with but that is a way to do it. If you don't want to do it or you think that it is stupid then you truly don't want proof.
Luke 13:24-30 is talking about all those who worked in the church and did all of the religious things but didn't truly put there trust in God. They didn't have a real relationship with God. They may have claimed to be Christians just to get into heaven or because it is a tradition in the family. They don't know what it means to live with or for Christ. They think since they sang his name, and went to church every time it was open that gives them the right to get into heaven. Still some will try to work there way in instead of going to God and giving all of themselves. The problem isn't working the problem is that they are so proud/ self centered that they think that they don't need God to get them into heaven. Even if they say they are doing it in the name of God. God knows our true motive and he can see what we are really doing if for.They must control their lives and to give it to God is not just horrifying it is unthinkable. Just knowing that God exist won't get you into heaven. You must have a real relationship with God. God doesn't want you to be religious all he wants is all of you and in turn he will give you all of him. Heck, he has already done it all you have to do is accept it.
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Post by vertigo on May 4, 2006 3:54:48 GMT -5
Hehe. So, like I said, you need it.
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Post by Dragon*of*Heaven on May 4, 2006 16:30:08 GMT -5
As I so blatantly put it Gurrillasaint there is no point quoting from a book that isn't even counted as an acceptable reference in science or historic circles. The problem Gurillasaint is that most if not all of us on this site were once theists and we did then prey. We did try to find God. Your God was not there. The point I am trying to make is that your saying "Go listen and speak to God." Dose less than nothing for us. We are looking for something with substance. Most of what you are looking at is no more than just happenstance. The point I am making is the same as others on this site. Give us something with Substance not just the pittance you are pedaling, but give us some real meat to chew on and we may entertain your thinking better.
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Post by guerrillasaint on May 8, 2006 22:24:59 GMT -5
Yes, but did you pray they way I suggested?
Could you explain how you tried to find him?
Do you feel your life has substance? If so what is substantial in your life? What would happen if you lost it? (not trying to be condescending I am truly curious)
It requires that you have faith and that you are willing to move outside of yourselves to try something new. Have you tried to pray the way I suggested? Exactly the way I have suggested. If you haven't then don't continue to ask for something more until you have. Get alone in a quite place and pray and expect to hear an answer. I may be a form of priming but if you expect not to get an answer then that is just another form of priming. God is going to give you your hearts desire. So if you desire is not to hear him then you will not.
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Post by Dragon*of*Heaven on May 9, 2006 22:44:25 GMT -5
Ok GS first of all lets discuss the object of prayer one last time. Yes we all sat down in silence and alone. We looked for signs till we almost went blind,deaf,and dumb. However sir the problem is that once you figure out the problem with what you are doing you cant just go back to doing it. Once you start seeing problems with religion, you cant just go and do something that you have a problem with. It would be like me telling you to go to a Black Mass. I'm sure you have at least one issue with Satanist's and I am sure that since you think they are wrong you would never in a million years go. Most of us as I have already told you tried to find God, we went to Priests, Ministers, Rabbis, and Elders. As we are in fact not theists it all apparently did no good.
As per your curiosity, the answer is yes,I feel my life has substance. The substance of my life is my curiosity, love for those close to me and my fellow man, my wishes, my hopes, my dreams, and my thoughts. All of this makes up who I am. All of this is the substance that makes up my life, and gives it meaning. To answer your question of what will happen if I loose this base, I will give you a simple answer. The answer to your question GS is that I will do the very same thing you would do If you lost your faith. I would go in search of meaning.
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Post by guerrillasaint on May 10, 2006 22:58:47 GMT -5
(it is Ms. soon to be Mrs.) Well since you don't want to pray I will pray for you. Tell me what you need to see for you to believe. I don't have a time table on this but I will keep on praying for you. Even if you don't want to tell me you can just pick something specific and keep it to yourself and I will still pray. I will just ask God to show you what you need. Still, If you don't want to "go back" then tell me.
Do we have a deal?
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Post by nonny on Jun 8, 2006 17:43:32 GMT -5
Maverick had a disscussion like this with us, it was the gordifinshette discussion. He created a god and we had to disprove it, but you can't. It's impossible to prove or disprove something that you can't see or touch or talk to (sanly) so anyone that does try to is wasting their breathe...plus you shouldn't try to convince others or anything either...cause you can't know unless you know from the bottom of your heart and want to believe what ever you believe
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Amy
Broken-in Plebe
Do not follow the blind - in other words, theists
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Post by Amy on Jun 9, 2006 14:12:03 GMT -5
In the existentialist sense, life is absurd. Amazing. I just did a research paper on existentialism. I thought that "No Exit" by Jean-Paul Sartre was amazing. I also enjoyed the ambiguity in the play, "Waiting for Godot" by Samuel Beckett.
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