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Post by necroshine on Apr 17, 2007 5:33:38 GMT -5
Am I a kind person? Yes, I’m also an evil person at times. i have no problem with it. I’m generous with what I have and I’m also selfish with my toys. I will help others when I can and I’ll also not help when I feel like someone may be taking advantage of me.
I don’t talk to this person any more just out of the odd chance that I should run into him in town. But when we did work together at first we did get along. Right up till the time I said something about being an atheists. He is the one that started to go down the path that we are on. What he didn’t know is that I’m more than capable of going down the path with him. He is one if the type of jackasses that will not see anything through anyone else’s eyes. He don’t want to get alone with anyone who isn’t like he is. Much like the kkk or any other type to hate mongers I’m not about to nod my head in anyway to what they choose to do. Why should i? I understand the idea of free speech and everyone should have it, even the kkk. But when someone says something stupid to me I have no choice but to call them on it. If a clan member came up to you and said all blacks should die are you going to just nod your head and go away or are you going to stand up for what you believe?
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Post by guerrillasaint on Apr 18, 2007 12:28:01 GMT -5
Why is loving them and being a person of peace nodding to those who choose to treat you poorly. It takes much more strength to love than to hate. Why follow the devil into hell because he said something about you momma? Let that person walk that evil path by themselves. Take away the fuel that feeds the hate. Love will negate evil. Don't believe the lie that it is weak to love those who hate you. Choose to show them how and why they are wrong about you.
You know if a KKK member came up to me and said a rude comment why should I get all made. That is what they do so it shouldn't surprise me. If I retaliate and tell them mean things then I would have proven that I am what they think I am. If I say " I believe that all humans have a right to live" then I am not backing down but I still haven't disrespected them. At that moment I would be given the opportunity to show them how a Christian reacts to evil word and how a black woman reacts to disrespect. I am stronger than that. I don't need to be goaded into stooping to their level. I would rather try and bring them up to mine.
Have a great day man. Life is good so I hope you live it well. Also thanks for taking the time to discuss this with me. Peace and Love
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Post by necroshine on Apr 21, 2007 7:37:50 GMT -5
I don’t turn the other cheek anymore. I was raised to believe that. its crazy. If someone does something to you out of spite then you don’t repay them with kindness that is backwards thinking. If you told your child to not touch a drink on a table for example, and the child looks right at you and knocks off the drink in the floor just because he is mad at you. You don’t in turn give him a cookie for doing that now do you? if someone chooses to not like me just because I’m an atheist then I’m not going to thank them for treating me like I’m less of a human? You do not repay hate with kindness. If someone should beat you up in school you don’t say thank you please hit me again. You have to defend yourself. If christens actually believed in treating everyone with respect then I would not be treated this way by a christen now would i?
Have a good one.
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Post by guerrillasaint on Apr 22, 2007 12:56:36 GMT -5
Well I know that loving your enemies is backward when it comes to the world. That is fine with me.
With the and the water. I would not reward the child for their bad behavior. They don't know what it is to be a responsible human. It would not be out of love to reward them for their improper behavior. What they need is discipline and to understand what it means to respect people. I wouldn't beat them but I would make them clean it up and tell them what is wrong about their behavior in love. (they would also have some other punishment but I don't know what it would be) See Love does not allow just anything to happen but it does not take revenge either. If I hit the child because I was mad at what they did to me and yelled at them because the child hurt my feelings now that is wrong. I would correct them because they need to understand what respect is and that there are consequences for their actions. If I didn’t discipline the child then that would be disrespecting them and making their lives that much harder.
Love doesn’t always have a blanket reactions to everything or everyone. Still one thing it never does is evil to the other person. To love someone is to seek to improve their lives and help heal hurts. Love is great and a gift that should be spread around to everyone not just those who love you back.
You have a good one too. Talk to you next time. Peace
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Post by necroshine on Apr 24, 2007 5:49:56 GMT -5
See I don’t like having big gapping holes in logic. i can not be nice to someone who don’t’ like me just because I’m different. I went through that in school. But that is adolescence picking but now this coming from someone who should know better is different. Its pure hate, I will not repay hate with love it will get you nowhere. That person will have to like me I can not change him. Being as I only got grief from him that is all he deserves from me. Were you in favor of the war that we are in when 9-11 happened? Or did you think maybe we should send money to them so they would have a better way of life? Do you really follow that twisted logic in your life? Do you think ww2 was worth fighting? Why not give Hitler what he wanted so he would stop doing what he did? You can not live loving your enemies. It does not work. The logic is screwed up. Do you actually think that will work?
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Post by guerrillasaint on Apr 27, 2007 19:04:44 GMT -5
with regards to 9-11, if America went to Afghanistan to collect those who where a part of the attract not for revenge but to bring them to justice that would be the reason to go over there. If we could do it a way were there was no blood shed then that would be perfect. The problem with this war in Iraq is that it has not thing to do with 9-11. It was built on lies and the only reason Bush was able to do it was because America (as a whole) felt scared and angry. If we took the time to heal (and the way to heal is not through revenge, or even seeing someone who wronged you punished for what they have done. It is only forgiveness that will allow you to heal completely) then we wouldn't have been more calm and level headed not to be put into a situation we are in now. That is one of the problems with this country it never seeks healing it just pushes things under the rug or drags out the situation until everyone is tired of it.
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Post by necroshine on May 1, 2007 16:18:50 GMT -5
but that isn't turning the other cheek now is it. the bible two different things to say about issues like this. one is that justice needs to be served and the other is the turn the other cheek. you can not live your life turning the other cheek. and what i said about 9-11 still stands i have heard many many Christians call Muslims towel heads. its even on a bath room wall at my work. "never forget 9-11 kill the towel heads!" people don't live a life of turning the other cheek no matter what the bible says. most of america are christan and most was in favor of going to war. that speaks for itself.
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Post by guerrillasaint on May 8, 2007 16:52:41 GMT -5
Sorry the Lazy Bug bit me bad.
Most People in America say they are Christians but how many really live the life of a Christian. How many know what it means to be a Christian. How many know and trust in the name of the lord? A lot of people do it because it is what they do it is tradition it is just an act with no meaning. Then there are those who have given their life to Christ then don't us and take advantage of all the promises that God gave them. They just look like everyone else. If most American’s where true Christians then this country would look way different.
Just because I turn the other cheek doesn't mean that justice isn't served. Turning the other cheek means that I will not seeking revenge. Turning the other cheek is no matter how much this person disrespects me I will not allow that to make me act in an ungodly way. Think about the Civil rights movement and how Martin Luther King Jr. and all the other people who participated in non-violent actions. Think of Gandhi. Their behavior during their protests did not lessen their mission. What it did was show the true injustice of the systems they were living in. They are forever remembered as Peace makers and great people. When a person hold on to their morals and don't allow the wrong actions of other to lead him or her to vengeance then they remain blameless to those who watch. Actions of peace will stand out like a sore thumb against those of hate. As a Christian I can rest in the fact that vengeance is the lords. He is more than capable of taking care of it.
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Post by necroshine on May 13, 2007 8:24:41 GMT -5
That attitude right there is why there are 100’s of different off shoots of christen religion. You are saying the same thing that others say. No one is a christen like I’m a Christian. I’m a better one than they are. if you have given your life to god then you get to call yourself a christen. If you have to act a certain way which way is that? like jimmy swagart? Have sex with hookers, how about pat robinson. owning diamond mines while that is one of the most corrupt things that go on, on this earth. Children have gotten hands chopped off just because they have some diamond dust on them. But I’m sure the couple that pat has don’t do any of that. pat was also for this war from the start and is still behind it. He must be acting like a Christian he is a leader of a large part of them.
As far as mr. king goes it was the Christians that had blacks enslaved. He had to fight for human rights that was taken away from them by chirstians. Gandhi was not even Christian. He also was fighting against the British who are catholic and christian had was taxing the people of India till they had nothing.
I wish people did go by the saying vengeance is the lords. But they don’t catholics Christians and muslims all take out their own vengeance. None of them wait till god can do anything. They all are hate driven.
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Post by guerrillasaint on May 16, 2007 0:43:19 GMT -5
There should be a visible difference from someone living for Christ and someone not. ( you can believe in God and still not live for Him) I am not here to judge these people you have talked about. What they have done whether good or bad will be judged by the Lord on judgment day.
God did not just call us to believe in Him He called us to live like Him. If we do this we show others the power that God has and the life that could be had. There is nothing like receiving mercy. There is nothing like easing someone’s pain. This is some of the privileges of leading an abundant peaceful life that Jesus came to give to us. Some people use the name Christian to get over on others. A Christian if should believe that Jesus is lord and savior and that He has died for your sins. They should have also have ask that there sins be forgiven. The believer starts to live like a Christian and receiving the blessings a Christian receives when he or she give his or her life totally to God. Easy to say but hard to do. To live like Christ one has to have Christ. It takes daily pray and studying in order to keep in contact with God and to understand His will.
Also remember there may be Christians out there abusing other people but there are also people out there seeking to help and heal. These people are not spoken about. Kyle and Stefani Burkholder will be in Johannesburg South Africa they will be helping the physical and spiritual need of the community. They will be running a feeding ministry for children of the squatter camp Pastor Paulino Esquivel runs a home for the mentally and physically disabled children and adults in Piedras Negras out of his home. Janette Hughes is in the Sudan she plans to help make a church in a mountain village Pastor Daniel Camaforte helps people with drug problems in Rio de Janeiro
This is a short list of people giving up their freedoms in order to help someone else in need. When you look for the negative you will find it. Not everyone is perfect people make mistakes. If that person realizes what he or she has done and asks for forgiveness then let it go. It is easy to hold people to the wrongs they have done. It is harder to forgive it is even harder to forgive when they are even seeking it. There is a blessing in letting go there is a blessing in forgiving there is a blessing in giving mercy. It is a blessing to be able to be used by God in his plan to reach his people. It is a blessing to begin to understand the depths of love He has for man kind through giving mercy.
Peace man and good day.
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Post by dan on Jun 28, 2007 18:53:19 GMT -5
I will not repay hate with love it will get you nowhere. Sometimes that is what it takes to turn a person around and change his/her heart. As the Bible says, "Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good" (Romans 12:21). See, the whole purpose of repaying hate with love is so that good wins out in the end, even for the unkind person. This is how God operates, "he makes his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust" (Matthew 5:45), and it is "the goodness of God that leads you to repentance" (Romans 2:4). Of course, there's a balance here. Jesus wasn't condemning just warfare or punishment of criminals - he was mostly talking about personal enemies, for example, a coworker or someone who doesn't like you. Obviously it is a different situation if there are terrorists attacking our country and killing our families - in that case, Jesus would have us do what is necessary to defend ourselves. The same applies to World War II and similar situations.
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