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Post by necroshine on Jan 31, 2006 6:25:04 GMT -5
Vertigo, Would you look over one of my pictures? Do you find it predictable or any thing else? www.deviantart.com/deviation/23316479/this picture was made with the only idea was to put a chair in a room by itself. I had no idea what kind of chair it was going to be or what the walls was going to look like. At one time the chair was going to be an electric chair. I just want to know how you judge things. What you may like and don’t like. This picture is just as random as Pollack's picture. I’m sure mine took more time to do than pollack’s but it is just as random.
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Post by vertigo on Jan 31, 2006 6:44:40 GMT -5
There is a fireplace behind the chair and the back of the chair has gaps so it would seem the person who sits in the chair wants their back to be warmed. It must be a corporeal being (the cat must be his or her pet). There are spirits floating around so I guess the person is a necromancer.
To me, it's a picture of a necromancer's chair. It doesn't really relate to anything I'm interested in so it doesn't really interest me. It's very factual (here is a chair), we don't see emotions or anything like that. It's factual but it's fiction, so it doesn't interest me much. It wouldn't say it is bad but it is uninteresting to me.
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Post by necroshine on Feb 5, 2006 10:12:01 GMT -5
Maybe uninteresting to you, But now would you say that everything I have done is bad or uninteresting? You may not like the one picture but one thing you didn’t say about it was that it is random. I think it is just as random as Pollacks painting. I didn’t know what this picture was going to be before I did it. It changed many times before it was finished. I has a figure sitting in the chair at one time. Before there was a fire place it was a portal to another world. I didn’t like that, it didn’t look right so I put a fireplace there. Everyone has an opinion about what they like and don’t like but it all is art. My art is not that great compared to other trained professionals, but I like it. Pollacks painting is no more “cap” than mine is. In the grand scheme of things he was paid a lot more for his art than I am. So on that term that painting is much better than mine is. No one wants to give me even $1 for my work, but it doesn’t matter to me. My art is mine alone.
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Post by The Reservoir Dog on Feb 5, 2006 14:43:42 GMT -5
An opinion must refer to something. One can't like something 'just because'. Opinions aren't random happenings, they are contingent. When I look at that painting, I see paint splats on a board but what is it related to? Randomness? Purposelessness? Art should have a purpose. Purposelessness is no purpose. There is no definition of an opinion. An opinion is simply personal preference; opinions are based on what we feel which our feelings are often based on 'just because' notions. It has a purpose, inspiration Pollack inspired me to be an artist which is the best decision I have ever made. No one not even you Vertigo can define art or what is and isn't art. If you care for an analogy I view what you are doing with art right now is no different than any theist trying to define god.
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Post by vertigo on Feb 5, 2006 18:19:49 GMT -5
Personal preferences must come from somewhere, there must necessarily be some reason for them.
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Post by necroshine on Feb 6, 2006 6:16:53 GMT -5
vertigo, what would you say is good art? please post some links to what you would say is good art. if you have made some art please let us see it.
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Post by vertigo on Feb 6, 2006 7:54:05 GMT -5
Art is good if someone likes it for the right reason, which is if it conveys a message. A poem, for instance, should convey a message. A poem without a message is pointless, it wouldn't be a good poem. Here is one I like: Sam at nude beach.
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Post by Dragon*of*Heaven on Feb 6, 2006 9:28:13 GMT -5
Arnt there some art pieces that no one would ever debate whether they are or are not art. ie The david or etchers self portrait.
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Post by The Reservoir Dog on Feb 6, 2006 20:27:53 GMT -5
Art is good if someone likes it for the right reason, which is if it conveys a message. Who decides what is a right and wrong reason? the answer is the individual. That is why art is so subjective, no one person can define art and no one person can say what does and doesn't have emotion. Only personal preference comes into play, anyone person who tries to tell someone that their preference is wrong is undeserving of the opinion that they have.
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Post by The Reservoir Dog on Feb 6, 2006 20:30:55 GMT -5
Personal preferences must come from somewhere, there must necessarily be some reason for them. The reason is emotion, nothing more. That is all one needs to discern ones opinions.
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Post by necroshine on Feb 7, 2006 6:05:03 GMT -5
Vertigo, Now I like “sam at nude beach” It reminds me of the way I use to draw. For no other reason I like it because of that. But according to you, if my reason for liking this art is not for the right reason then its not art. I ask you do I like this for the correct reason? If not then that is not good art. Now what message is it trying to convey? According to you art has to have a message or its not art. I wouldn’t even know the figure is on a beach if it wasn’t for the name of the work. I hope you understand that art is art no matter who makes it or for what ever reason it is made. Even if the art is nothing more than a big x on paper. You don’t have to understand the message of the art to like it. You can have your own reasons to like something nothing more. I understand where you are coming from with this statement but it is wrong. This maybe correct for you but overall it is wrong.
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Post by Dragon*of*Heaven on Feb 7, 2006 8:40:26 GMT -5
alright necroshine it is simple to say that it is wrong because it is wrong. Lets remember that is what theist do most of the time. Give us a sound reason for why it is wrong.
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Post by vertigo on Feb 7, 2006 12:19:52 GMT -5
That's for each of us to determine.
I didn't say this. Whether it is art is not contingent on whether or why you like it. Whether it is art has to do with why the artist created it. I saw a "modern artwork" that was painted by an elephant, it isn't art. What skill is there in drawing an X on a sheet of paper? Is there some mystery to it?
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Post by The Reservoir Dog on Feb 8, 2006 0:26:52 GMT -5
he did give you a reason Dragon. Maybe it wasn't what you were looking for but it was there, plus I have given multiple reasons myself. Art is what it is regardless of what Vertigo or any other person has to say about it. Art transends any defenition or tag or whatever, it is a living entity in and of itself it is always growing, changing, and adapting no one can try to pin it down no matter how hard they want to, yes this includes you Vertigo.
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Post by necroshine on Feb 8, 2006 6:11:07 GMT -5
But you said it has to convey a message or it isn’t any good? Now you flip flop on me and you are saying it’s a personal thing. That is what we have been saying all along.
Have you never tried to make your own font? Have you ever tried to just “draw” letters? That is art in itself. Go through your fonts on your computer and see how many ways you can make each letter. I deal with fonts everyday on my job. I can say it is art. From plain arial to times new roman, I like a bunch of different fonts. Look around you in life. Art is everywhere from a child drawing to a masters life work. Any even an elephant who someone has worked with to teach the animal to pick up a brush to put paint to canvas. Can you not find something good in that? If nothing more it’s a donation to the zoo to keep it up and running. You may not like something but that doesn’t mean it is not art. If in art all you see is green pigment on white paper, or clay that looks like a human figure you are missing out on so much. It’s the time someone took to make the art. Not what is there but what was changed in making the piece. Have you ever seen something and thought I would do it this way. Well that is your way of doing it but it doesn’t make it better.
Dragon I hope I have explained myself a little bit more for you. I know sometimes I can ramble.
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