you're so called "god" created sin.

[AntiReligion0000]

if "god" only created two people (adam and eve) and they had kids then there kids had kids witch eachother ect.... Then God Created Sin Because Christian's Belive incest is a sin ,therefore God Created Sin By only Creating Two People. And if God Only Created Two People How is it we have so many differen't Races? Everything about christianity is false even from the so called "starting of the world"

[nonny]

Yes that is true. You do know that most christians have never even read the bible right? There are more things wrong with the *story* then that though.

[Acriku]

I heard from another board, I think AtheistNetwork, that another woman came into the picture where Adam made a family with her, instead of Eve, and her name started with an L-something. Anyway, I couldn't find it in Genesis so does anybody know what I am talking about?

[Yaw]

Acriku, there is a Jewish myth that the original woman was not Eve but Lilith, and she was created equal to Adam. The myth as conceived nowadays is that she was cast out for not submitting to him, and there is a movement to reclaim her as a feminist icon (for example, the Lilith Fair concerts). The original conception, however, is that regardless of why she was cast out (I don't recall this personally), she became a demoness who went around murdering children. There was quite a bit of Medieval mysticism focused on the subject of keeping Lilith away. (This actually makes a bit of sense because there are some Jewish genetic diseases, such as Tay-Sachs disease, that invariably kill young children.) There is a rather extensive discussion on Jewish Lilith mythology in a book by Raphael Patai entitled The Hebrew Goddess.

As for the original topic, of course seven-day creationism is factually false. The bible is a theology book, not a history or science book. It only has the chance to make sense as a book of mythology. We get silly non-arguments like this one when it's read as literal truth.

[AntiReligion0000]

my so called "none arguement" wasn't saying that bible is the truth it was just making a point that if christianity is right then god created sin but i know god doesn't exist it's just another fairy tail to scare everyone into doing as there told instead of figuring out for themselfs the difference between right and wrong.

[Acriku]

Very informative Yaw!

[Yaw]

I simply don't find this argument interesting. Of course according to Christianity, God created sin. That's because sin is essentially a series of religious transgressions supposedly defined by God. Just like our lawmakers create crime by encoding what qualifies as a criminal act into law. My point is that this fact isn't very illuminating when it comes to talking about government in action; after all, an action can be right or wrong on its own ethical merits, regardless of what the law says. Similarly, saying that Christianity holds to a law which is defined by the supposed words of their deity is more the framework for an argument than an argument in and of itself.

Now, I do think this framework could lead somewhere interesting. I just don't think it's there yet.

[nonny]

Well if you want to take your arguement further you could say that god created sin because christians say you shouldn't have sex till yo uare married, but adam and eve were never married. They are just arguements over fiction.

[Griffey]

Supposedly didn't god create everything, including evil, sin, etc. etc.? Or at least, according to Christian beliefs? I think this point is well-established.

Yaw, Tay-Sachs is Jewish? I didn't even know that there was a Jewish "bloodline" or specific genetic line. Is there? I just thought TS was a general disorder.

[Yaw]

Well, until Emancipation the Jewish community tended to stay separate. Which means there was little intermarriage, and Tay-Sachs was a primarily Jewish disease. (That's where I ran across it, in Jewish textbooks.) With Emancipation, I'd imagine it is a lot more widespread across cultural and ethnic lines.

[AuntieSocial]

Lilith is another example of the Judaic religion adopting aspects of a pre-existing pagan tradition.

Lilitu was a storm goddess in the tradition of the Sumerians. She was been absorbed into the Hebrew tradition as Lilith, the first wife of Adam, and was vilified for not submitting to him (since YHVH gave Adam donimion over everything that lived) or for demanding the right to "mount Adam" during sex. She then became, as Yaw already mentioned, a demoness that killed children.

According to Judaic tradition, Lilith was created of the earth, as Adam was, but she was created of "filth and sediment" while Adam was created from dirt and earth.

According to the Sumerian tradition, Lilith was not an entirely beneficial goddess. She was a rain-maker, but also had a flair for the extremes, causing storms that robbed the earth of it's vitality and fertility.

The Jewish tradition claims that she robbed mankind of their fertility by causing men to ejaculate in their sleep, or stealing their emmissions to impregnate herself and create more demons.

Source: The Goddess: Power, Sexuality and The Feminine Divine by Shahrukh Hasain, Published by The University of Michigan Press

My understanding of the concept of sin is that God gave man freewill and when they chose to listen to the serpent, he punished them (and every generation thereafter). There is no question that the concept of guilt is first seen in relation to the disobedient act in the Garden (according to the Bible).

The concept of sin has been crippling people ever since the advent of organized religion. It is in the interest of the church leaders to have a folk that is afraid to sin and/or ashamed of themselves because they are inherently sinners. When you have convinced the vast majority of the population that they are worthless as individuals, they become more willing to accept the doctrines of the church in an effort to obtain salvation. The priesthood (ministry, etc) step into the picture as the conduit between God and the adherents.

My question to Christians is always, "What have you done that has caused you to deserve eternal damnation?"

[carly]

AntiReligion0000, what gives? Way to to give everyone else just another reason to hate those of us who choose not to believe by showing your ignorance. Just because we know theists are wrong doesn't mean you have to attack them for it and belittle them. All you are doing is sinking to their level by doing what they have done to us for as long as religion has existed (i.e. criticizing what they don't understand.) I'm not saying that I would ever agree with theists or their practices but they are entitled to their own opinions.
P.S. Read the story of Noah's Arc and the flood and you will find out how Christians explain different races.

[nonny]

actually i heard this interview on the radio for this guy from answersingensis.org or something. He said there is only one race and just many different colors, and the Genom Project proved the there is only one race. But that is not true it is true however that DNA doesn't affect skin color, meleatonin does. But he also said the christians are not racist, but they are you can tell because of the "Cane & Abl" story god put a dark mark apon Abl's skin after he killed Cane so he would stand out and be the slave of humanity. That would be racism.

[Yaw]

First: Cain killed Abel. Just for pedantry.

Second: Regardless, the biblical story is that Cain's descendents would have died in the flood. This is why bigoted Southern preachers referred to blacks as "Sons of Ham" rather than sons of Cain. (Which is, naturally, false regardless.) At any rate, while Christians have been racist, that does not mean that Christianity is a racist religion.

Third: There certainly is an element of genetics in skin colour. Otherwise, how do you explain albinism?

[nonny]

Ok, so i got somethings wrong about the story and what not. No, skin color is not genetic, but poeple of different races do have different genetics altogether.