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Post by Sesshoumaru on Dec 23, 2004 12:59:49 GMT -5
What the hell??
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Post by solidsquid on Dec 23, 2004 13:03:24 GMT -5
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Filter
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Post by Filter on Dec 23, 2004 13:16:24 GMT -5
Have you ever thoguth that there are sometimes when you don't understand God's true motives?? that is why there is prayer.To talk to him,ask him for wisdom and comprehension of his word. Boy does this take me back. One thing you need to reflect on is when and how often you need to resort to Xtian-speak. There has been a particular language throughout history about things when people want to sound wise or knowledgable about the unknown. There is nothing wrong about meditating, or taking a moment to calmly consider a situation. But ask yourself what someone is really wishing for when they ask someone to "pray" about something. Aren't they really hoping they will just get their act together and see it their way? What did God tell people about slavery in the 18th century? I imagine it had a lot to do from the location they were praying from...
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Post by ToxicMoon on Dec 23, 2004 15:56:30 GMT -5
The reason I asked if you believe that we become spirits when we die is to point to a hole in your story.
If we become spirits, and go to hell, how do we feel our flesh burning off our bones if we have no flesh to burn?
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Post by Sesshoumaru on Dec 23, 2004 17:48:16 GMT -5
*Slaps forehead* Your spirit can feel pain
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Post by solidsquid on Dec 23, 2004 20:35:50 GMT -5
*Slaps forehead* Your spirit can feel pain Hmm, resisting long explanation of how pain works... Where exactly does this "spirit" reside? And how is a non-coporeal item such as a spirit known of....I feel Sagan's Dragon analogy approaching quickly...
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Post by Hilly on Dec 23, 2004 20:36:06 GMT -5
If not you will burn with Lucifer once he and the fallen angels are cast from Hell to the Lake of fire. Sounds good. I like the heat. I like the part about the fallen angels too. Party on! ;D Save me a spot Lucifer!
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Post by ToxicMoon on Dec 23, 2004 22:13:38 GMT -5
*Slaps forehead* Your spirit can feel pain How does a spirit feel pain? And how do you know spirits feel pain? You really shouldn't slap your forehead or slam your head against things, it will cause damage.
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Post by necroshine on Dec 24, 2004 7:56:04 GMT -5
I love how people say stuff that they can not know. Sprits feel pain. How? See that is true brainwashing. When you say stuff because someone else told you that it is true. I don’t believe in a god because I don’t see evidence of a god anywhere. Where as you see god everywhere. What is the difference? You choose to believe, because someone told you it was correct and you like it. you want to know that someone is in control and you want to think that you will go to heaven when you die. While everyone else goes to hell and gets what they deserve. the only sprits I have seen is in a bottle. And they cause pain the next morning, they don’t feel pain.
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Post by necroshine on Dec 24, 2004 9:02:38 GMT -5
That is true like how god cursed all of mankind for adam and eves first ever mistake. I don’t understand. Or how innocent people had to be killed in a great flood but one family was saved. You cant tell me sheep was evil or babies was evil and had to die. How every time god needs to forgive someone blood has to be shed? True its not like that anymore. But I say this. if god is never changing why did he change his mind about this?
That is a silly analogy. If I don’t understand a teacher its ok for me to question him. They will explain it to me more till I get it. you can not question god. Its says so in the bible. Tell me one teacher you can not question. That is what they are there for. How can I not disobey god when he holds my thoughts against me? I can not and no one else can not stand up to that kind of level. When just thinking about something is a sin. Can you control your thoughts?
What do you mean by “saved”? if you believe in jesus or god, are the jews going to heaven? They don’t believe in jesus. Or is there a loophole for them? must be nice to think that most people that has ever lived will go to hell and you will never have to see them. can you truly be happy with that fact. When you are in heaven and know everything, you can set there and tell god how great he is when he is tormenting people in hell forever. No forgiveness no blinking an eye. Will that bring you comfort? Even people who have never heard of god or jesus they will go to hell because they don’t believe. I hope that makes you happy in your heart.
That sparked many years of curses from god. Who said he had to believe them? he needs to forgive them which he didn’t. no forgiveness at all. do you believe you kid when they lie to you? Of course you don’t but you do forgive them, don’t you? God didn’t and the curse is still going on today. Talk about holding a grudge.
So all jews are going to hell, All Buddhists are going to hell, all Muslims are going to hell, all American Indians are going to hell, all the people who believed in zues are going to hell, all Hindus are going to hell, no one will get into heaven but the very few who believe in jesus. Does this bring you happiness? To know that god “loves” us all but yet is more than happy to send most of the people he has made to hell forever. Do you really think that the christens are in the majority? When you take in account al the religions that has ever been? Most people are going to hell according to your bible. Does that make you happy? Does that sit well with you? Or are you unconcerned about other people as long as you are happy? Are you that selfish?
Oh but you are wrong. Do does hold us accountable for the first thing we do wrong. I have showed you that. He held cain accountable and his children also what did they do wrong? you don’t see what the bible says as long as you get to be happy forever. Nothing else matters does it? your god is an ass. Always will be. Would you ask one child to kill another child to prove that they love you? god did. Would you ask one child to kill everyone in another town? god did. Would you hold the first thing your child did wrong against them forever? god did. Would you punish one child for what another one did wrong? god did. Would you tell one of your children that they would have to die because the others are acting up? God did. Do you forgive your children time after time when they mess up? God don’t.
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Post by Sesshoumaru on Dec 24, 2004 20:12:00 GMT -5
Umm YEAH HE DOES ACTUALLY!!! and he actually DIDN'T curse mankind forever. He gave us a many of chances to redeem ourselves. But mankind just chose to say 'Oh great Father in Heaven forgive me" but then turn around and sin once more. Eventually God saw how man spoke with his tongue deciet and lies except for Noah's family. And what do you mean he destroyed animals?? THAT IS WHY THERE WAS NOAH'S ARK to gather two of every creature:A male and it's mate. He said two of every clean animal, and two of every dirty animal. Lions,tigers,flies,snakes,rats whatever they were on the Ark. God never cursed mankind for what Adam and Eve did. He WAS PAINED BY THE AMOUNT OF SIN WE DID but never held us accountable for someone elses actions
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Post by AuntieSocial on Dec 24, 2004 20:28:55 GMT -5
He WAS PAINED BY THE AMOUNT OF SIN WE DID but never held us accountable for someone elses actions Hmmm, maybe someone can correct me here, but are there not punishments listed in the Bible that will be inflicted on the children of the sinner, to the tenth generation? Now, if that isn't being held accountable for someone else's actions, I'm not sure what you could possibly call it ... Also, isn't the PAIN of childbearing believed to be punishment for the sins of Eve? So, according to theology, if I chose to have a child and had a painful labour, that is because I am a woman and am being punished for Eve's actions ... and to make matters worse, according to some Christian sects, I should not be allowed any pain medication because I should feel the full effects of Eve's punishment. (At the time of the discovery of the benefits of anesthesia, there was a large opposition to the use of any pain-reducing medications during child-birth, led by the Christian leaders of the time.)
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Post by Sesshoumaru on Dec 24, 2004 20:59:39 GMT -5
Well some Christians are morons.
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Post by necroshine on Dec 24, 2004 22:16:12 GMT -5
Well some Christians are morons. i can't believe you are saying that. have you read the bible? do you know what god has done to his children in the bible? It doesn’t sound like you know the bible very well. And you say some christens are morons but yet you believe a book is the truth when you have not read it yourself. What does it take for you to call something moronic?
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Post by Sesshoumaru on Dec 24, 2004 22:41:18 GMT -5
i can't believe you are saying that. have you read the bible? do you know what god has done to his children in the bible? It doesn’t sound like you know the bible very well. And you say some christens are morons but yet you believe a book is the truth when you have not read it yourself. What does it take for you to call something moronic? Umm I actually DO read the bible. And so what?? some people call themselves Christians but don't act like it. They may say they believe in God but don't praise him,worship him or talk to him. They may never even pick up a bible or attempt to read. There is a difference between SAYING you're a Christian and acting,behaving and CONDUCTING yourself like one
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