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Post by Filter on Mar 16, 2005 18:21:43 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but there is not really a common thread running through many religions, or even many people of the same religion, when it comes to the afterlife. Which brings us back to the start. No consistency, even among "experts"; then no interest here. You began this thread with "what would it take?" Well, what would it take for people of faith to get their collective story straight? I just can't take it seriously anymore. After 200o years of God's presense in our lives, I would just expect more. That's all, sorry.
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Post by Christian on Mar 16, 2005 21:32:56 GMT -5
Why don't you look inside your own heart and mind to find answers? Why do you need world consensus?
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Post by Filter on Mar 17, 2005 12:22:53 GMT -5
Why don't you look inside your own heart and mind to find answers? Why do you need world consensus? 1. Christian rhetoric is pretty ineffective on me. I've spent enough time at church. I can't "look" into my own heart without some sophisticated surgical cameras. 2. Many have "looked" into their hearts, as you define it, and have failed to come up with a comparable message that would lead them to join in one unifying cause or movement. 3. Any workable solution requires concensus, at least at the peer level. I wouldn't expect the averge person to know how a nuclear reactor works, but I at least want the technicians to agree to how they are going to control it. For now.
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Post by Christian on Mar 17, 2005 17:22:30 GMT -5
1. Christian rhetoric is pretty ineffective on me. I've spent enough time at church. I can't "look" into my own heart without some sophisticated surgical cameras. 2. Many have "looked" into their hearts, as you define it, and have failed to come up with a comparable message that would lead them to join in one unifying cause or movement. 3. Any workable solution requires concensus, at least at the peer level. I wouldn't expect the averge person to know how a nuclear reactor works, but I at least want the technicians to agree to how they are going to control it. For now. As for me, I will never hold human consensus up as a prerequisite for my beliefs.
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Post by Filter on Mar 18, 2005 12:05:01 GMT -5
As for me, I will never hold human consensus up as a prerequisite for my beliefs. That's easy to see. If you held your beliefs to any measure of accountability they would be revealed for what they really are. Myths.
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Post by godslayer on May 8, 2005 3:48:33 GMT -5
probably the same thing as what would it take for you to start believing in Santa clause!
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Post by darklight on May 30, 2005 20:34:45 GMT -5
Well, for me it would take him standing in front of me(which would kind of scare me) and tell me that he was God and he created everything
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Post by necroshine on Jun 1, 2005 5:18:09 GMT -5
Even IF god did show himself to me I still would not worship him. why should I? just because he created me is not reason enough for me to worship him. I do not love some of my family members just because they are family. They do not deserve my respect. I don’t feel that god does either. If I have to love god so I can get into heaven I don’t want to go there. That would be like me telling my wife that she has to love me or I will kill her. She has no choice but to leave, correct? So why would this be any different? I am not going to love someone who threatens me with pain and suffering, why would you? People who have went on drug induced killing sprees still have enough mercy to not kill babies. I have read and seen police reports about it. god does not show any mercy. When god kills he kills all. men women and children. To him no one is innocent. I do not think that I would worship god even if he showed himself to me. I just don’t take kindly to threats. Plus if god did make me he knows this.
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Post by GodsAreUs on Jun 1, 2005 9:29:25 GMT -5
I don’t think any 'creator' would want to be worshipped. They’d have to be some whopping egomaniac. The whole ‘worship me or die’ mantra is indicative of the primitive times the bible was written in; when roman rulers were ‘gods’ in their own right.
Imagine you’re raising sea monkeys. Do we expect the monkeys to worship us? Hell no. We just want the things to live long enough so we can show our parents and friends what we ‘did.’ I’m thinking the ‘creator’ most likely would view earth the same way; an experiment that requires care and indifference. A ‘plant the seeds and watch them grow’ kind of thing.
If the ‘creator’ reveals himself to me (using ‘him’ for example purposes here), I’ll kick the bastard in the shins for inventing pain, suffering, and jerks. I’ll also ask him to run a retraction if he’s responsible for the world’s religions. That stuff just isn’t working for the collective good.
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