Amy
Broken-in Plebe
Do not follow the blind - in other words, theists
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Post by Amy on Jun 9, 2006 14:15:07 GMT -5
Hearing from God isn't all in the head that is what is wrong with your model. He is like the wind you may not be able to see it but you know it is there by the fact that it can move things. When you pray you are communicating to God. You have to want to hear him. If you never want to hear him then you wont. It works both ways. If you asked God who he is and he tells you because you truly wanted to know it won't be making connections that aren't there. He may answer your question by making you go through somethings that will show you who he is. See, by this point, most psychologists would say that you are schizophrenic. (That was a joke! haha.) |
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Amy
Broken-in Plebe
Do not follow the blind - in other words, theists
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Post by Amy on Jun 9, 2006 14:16:11 GMT -5
Heaven isn't my ultimate Goal because I was guaranteed a spot when I gave my life to Christ and prayed the prayer of salvation. Still God promised that he would give his follower a lot more than just Heaven. I want to learn how to have an abundant life through Christ. As I grow as a Christian my relationship with God also grows and I continue to want to know more about him. Seriously, you sound like a fundie. |
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Amy
Broken-in Plebe
Do not follow the blind - in other words, theists
Posts: 87
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Post by Amy on Jun 9, 2006 14:26:02 GMT -5
Maverick had a disscussion like this with us, it was the gordifinshette discussion. He created a god and we had to disprove it, but you can't. It's impossible to prove or disprove something that you can't see or touch or talk to (sanly) so anyone that does try to is wasting their breathe...plus you shouldn't try to convince others or anything either...cause you can't know unless you know from the bottom of your heart and want to believe what ever you believe Haha. Good one, Non-believer. I vaguley remember the discussion about Gordifinshette. |
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Post by nonny on Jun 9, 2006 19:37:59 GMT -5
oh griffy and i talk about it all the time mostly just saying "oh my gordifinshette" yeah it's our own inside joke...has been for years.
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Post by necroshine on Jun 12, 2006 5:46:46 GMT -5
God. If he can show himself to other people throughout time, why not me? Does he think I’m not important enough?
I don’t think it will happen. Have you SEEN god? And I mean you laid your eyes on him.
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Post by guerrillasaint on Jun 14, 2006 15:18:56 GMT -5
If this is what you truly want then pray expect him to come to you.
this is the lie of self pity. God thinks your are important enough to die for
I haven't laid eyes on him. So not I haven't seen him excuse me for saying anything thing that may mislead you. I will see him though.
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Post by necroshine on Jun 16, 2006 5:55:21 GMT -5
i have. he didn't show up. what am i supposed to do, still believe in him? if what you say is true then he should had showed himself to me. he should had made himself known to me but yet i recieved nothing. that is what happened for me. why would that be? when he has made himself known to you. according to you. be yet he hides from me. see it is not that simple for us. i do not feel god. if you do great live that way. i will live without him. he is not real to me. at one time i thought he was real but not now. i am not wrong in this. this is my reality for me god does not exist, and can not be, no more than allha does for you.
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Post by guerrillasaint on Jun 20, 2006 1:40:58 GMT -5
He is not hiding from you. Why can't you believe that he is talking to you right now through me?
Still, I will pray for you. If you want. I know his voice and I know him when he speaks to me.
The major factor in being able to meet God is to have faith that you will. If you don't then you never will. So since I have faith I am more than happy to pray to him for you. The question is do you really want this, because if you don't he will not force himself onto you.
Also you have never lived your life without God.
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Post by necroshine on Jun 20, 2006 5:43:28 GMT -5
If off I don’t believe in a god any more, I did at once now I don’t. its that simple. Now god is all powerful. If he wanted to talk to me he could. On a personal point I find it offensive that god thinks he has to talk to me through you or anyone else. If god wants my attention I’m sure he could get it if he was real. For me there is no god. I hope I answered your question. How is that a personal god if he talks to me through you? My mom doesn’t call you to see how I’m doing, why should god? Along with this there are so many other reasons why I think god can not exist.
I don’t think you are catholic priest. So praying for me will do no good. I will have to pray for myself, you can not do it. Don’t you know the rules of your own faith? Don’t take offence just a question because I hear that a lot. “”I will pray for you” we have to pray for our own sins remember he is supposed to be a personal god.
Circular logic. No more to say to that.
I don’t know what you mean. Please explain. I don’t believe in him now. So how am I living with god in my life. I don’t want him there I don’t think like that any more and I tell as many people that will listen that there is no god. So I’m doing everything I can to live without him. I don’t understand what you are saying.
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Post by guerrillasaint on Jun 29, 2006 15:50:50 GMT -5
remeber that dream you wrote about a while back where people were coming down with the bad case of hell and a doctor was trying to save you. Well that was God. He was trying to talk to you but you refused him. As long as you are on this earth he is still extending his hand to you.
Also don't let your feeling get in the way of the blessing that you could have.
Well if you weren't taking her calls she may try to contact you through another person.
You assum too much. I am not going to pray for your sins I going to pray for what ever you need to see God. That is what I can do for you.
He allows you to wake up. He keeps you functioning. He allow you to think. In an instant he can take it away. He is allowing you to sit up here and disbleive in him. So what ever you have believe you are blessed.
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Post by Dragon*of*Heaven on Jun 30, 2006 13:46:31 GMT -5
You see the problem with your whole argument 'GS' is two fold. One you are proposing a rather one sided arrangement, I cant talk to God unless I believe, and in order to believe I have to talk to God. Now I'm going to pause so you can reflect on that for a second.
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OK now as I am sure you can see that argument dose not make any sense at all. So lets go ahead any way. You say I have to talk first. My question to this is Why? I mean he is all powerful right, I mean if I am a curious agnostic (Not knowing or not caring if God exists) and I say I wonder if God exists, he being all powerful, should kinda speak out and proclaim his presence. You know the whole hear I am lord, only in reverse. I am perfectly capable of living my life without a God just as I can without a mother or father. I don't see why I should talk first if he is not willing to grant me an inkling of his/ her/ it's time anyway. Truly I mean in your bible doesn't it say that the master will go after one 'lost sheep' and leave his others just to get the one. If you are correct my Christian fellow, I should be seeing God right about NOW!~~~~~~ You know for an all powerful all loving creator and a good Shepperd I don't see or hear any one pounding down the door.
In short I cant choose to believe in something that I don't accept. What you are asking is automatic acceptance so that I can find an answer. Of course if I delude my self into the belief in a God just so I can get an answer, then I will hear things simply because I want to. I will see a bird go kill a snake and think it to be an omen from God. A lady kisses her screaming child, I would see omen from God. That is what they thought hundreds of years ago not to day. It is just not so. WAKE UP my little Christan Wake Up.
As always DOH
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Post by necroshine on Jul 1, 2006 13:58:49 GMT -5
As dragon said you look at this and see a message from god. I see my dream and know that I’m on this board quite a bit sometimes my imagination goes crazy with me. I do have an active one I like to think. Its just a dream. I once dreamed that my father was going to die in a car wreck when he was about 40. He didn’t he died of Parkinson’s close to 60. so if my dreams are from god then why did he lie to me that time? Dreams are just your brain playing around. They are not visions of future or messages from god.
What doesn’t point to god for you? With that logic you can say “see that pit bull over there killing that kitten. God works in mysterious ways.” Or how is this. “look at that baby dove that was born without wings, only to be killed by its mother. Isn’t god great in all things he does.”
See its easy to look at the good stuff in life and see god behind it but not so easy to see it in the bad things of life. Why would people be born with terrible defects if god loves us?
By the way, If god loves us without end. Then why is he going to send bastard children to hell? you have no control over the circumstances of your parents lives before you are born?
Don’t answer this. I could ask many, many more questions of other reasons why god is going to send you to hell. I just thought it fit. Something to let you know why I don’t believe in god. He has so many more reasons why he will send you to hell than he will save you. Its like he wants to put you in hell. and yes I know the road to god is strait and narrow. God just makes it so hard to earn his love. He really does work in mysterious ways.
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Post by guerrillasaint on Jul 2, 2006 0:57:47 GMT -5
It seemed to me that someone on this tread wanted to be shown God. I can only lead you to him. So I told you one way to get in touch with him. I can only take you to a place where he can reach out to you. That is exactly what I was trying to say when I said that if you don't believe in God then how could you possible talk to him? First you have no desire and then you think that you are talking to yourself so when he does respond then you don't even recognize his voice you just think it was you responding to yourself.
Is this why you think I believe? I heard God call me when I was young. I didn't want for anything at that time in my life. I didn't understand how cruel the world could be. I didn't even understand all the joys that could be had in life. I was just a child not even old enough to be in school. My main questions at the time were about the new things I experienced. I didn't care about anything but myself. The one thing I did understand and still remember to this day is that God presented himself to me in my parents TV room and in that moment I new that there was a God. I wasn't going to church. No one told me to believe. Was I saved? No. I just knew that God existed and he wanted to let me know. I was blessed enough on that day to hear and answer and believe.
My question to you is how do you know when God speaks or if he hasn't made the first move? You don't believe in him. You don't know him. So how do you know what he sounds like (in the figurative sense) How do you know when he talks to you? You are getting your panties in a bunch because you fill jilted because God didn't talk to you personally. Well you never know he may be politely talking right now but later in your life if you don't listen up he may put the smack down on you am make you listen. If he does that be smart enough to do what he says.
So life is perfect? You want for nothing? You life has meaning? No regrets? No hang-ups? If you lost everything you could still run around with a smile on your face and know everything is or will be all right? When your back is up against the wall and you don't see anyway out you can stay optimistic and know that it will work out for the better no matter what happens? When nothing is going right you still know you will be all right? When you are alone do you truly feel alone, and when that happens how do you deal? What do you have faith in? Does it ever fail you? If you don't have faith in anything what do you trust? Does it ever fail you? What is your constant in life? Does it ever stop being a constant? If it hasn't what if it did? What keeps you sane? What happens if it is taken some how? What do you think the meaning of life is? When there is not one to help you what do you do? Can you get yourself out of any problem? Do you know someone who can if you can't?
Just because they have defect do you think there life is any less precious to God? Excuse me but that really pisses me off because you are putting your prejudices on their lives. Some of these people who have defects live richer fuller lives than people who have not defects. Do you have a defect? Does it make you less than human? You know a while back their where people who would pity me because I am black or because I am female. They would consider me less than human because of my race or mentally weaker because of my gender. Still, God looks at the heart no at the physical appearance. He love you no matter what state you are in on this earth. Give me a break and get off your high horse! The things God allows us to go through are to help us grow closer to him or to help others in similar situations. There was this little girl on TV how had cancer but she was much stronger in sprit than me or her mother or her father. She started a lemonade stand so that she could help others that were in her same condition. She died but that lemonade stand turned into a very large organization that made over a million dollars for her cause. If she didn't have that disease then who knows what kind of person she would be?
There are things that point to the lack of God's will. I don't live a day without thinking or talking about God. He makes me me. I know who I am and what I am capable of because of who he is and what he is capable of. There is fare more to life then what you want to perceive.
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Post by guerrillasaint on Jul 2, 2006 9:59:49 GMT -5
when I commented on your the dream you had did I say all the dreams you had? No, the one you had about hell was from God. He has and he still is talking to you just don't want to recognize it. What you are doing right now is rejecting him.
Where did you get that? Jesus did have a real father on earth so there goes that theory.
you don't earn God's love. He loves you not matter what. May I ask you what your definition of love is. I am not talking about what the dictionary says.
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Post by necroshine on Jul 3, 2006 6:07:27 GMT -5
Like I had said earlier you just pick and choose what you want to see that points to god.
“look that one dream is god talking to you but not all. You can pint to the birds flying around and see god is the creator in that. But no one points to a child that is born with only a half a brain and does not live past its first month of life.
Also if you must believe in god and jesus then you have to admit that most people on earth will go to hell.
I was not talking about jesus. I was talking about all the children that are born out of wedlock and are bastards. That is the definition of a bastard. And you will go to hell for being one. So says the bible.
You have to ask for him to save you. You have to ask him to come into your life. You have to do what he says. Or you will burn forever. Lots of love there. Because that is what I do with my children they have to kiss my ass there whole life or I’m going to put them through so much pain they will be sorry.
That sounds so stupid to me. I have no idea why it doesn’t sound backwards to you.
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