Why only chirstians?

[nonny]

I just relised something while replying in another thread that it is mostly on chirstians/catholics/mormans that come here and try to curse us or have us repent. Why is that? Are the right? or Are they just more close minded then everyone else?

I don't remember in all my years here an indian, muslim, jew, buddhist, toaist, et cetera ever coming here and yelling at us with the sin of their religion. That is perhaps why i respect those religions more, but still why is that? Do they have more of a life? Are the taught open mindness? Respect? Is the to few of them to do that?* I just am really curious of other opinions.

*You would htink religions where it seems they have less numbers then the christians would actually truy to recruit poeple more, or is that you have to be born into that religion and there is no such thing as just trying to join because you have seen the errors of your ways?

lyrics that convey something.
"You're telling me that fifty million screaming fans are never wrong
I'm telling you that fifty million screaming fans are fucking morons" Mindless self indulgence~ you'll rebel to anything(as long as it's not difficult)

I know the lyrics are not religious in it's content but it proves a point. Perhaps the chirstians think that more of them makes them look right while if 5000000 poeple jump off a bridge and one person doesn't who was right? (ignore who is dead or not)

I would really appreciate discussion on this.

[necroshine]

I just relised something while replying in another thread that it is mostly on chirstians/catholics/mormans that come here and try to curse us or have us repent. Why is that? Are the right? or Are they just more close minded then everyone else?

Not sure myself. If I were to wager a bet I would say that those people do this because of the religion. I don’t know about what the Japanese would think about an atheist . Maybe they are raised more open minded to other thoughts. Where I know that the Christians and the like are raised to have a closed mind about other ways of thinking.

I don't remember in all my years here an indian, muslim, jew, buddhist, toaist, et cetera ever coming here and yelling at us with the sin of their religion.

I have been yelled at by muslims and jews but for the others I would have to agree. I will have to find some message boards of that religion and see for myself.

if 5000000 poeple jump off a bridge and one person doesn't who was right?

Depends on the reason everyone was jumping in the first place. I would think it would be a good one.

[nonny]

Or it could be one ring leader telling them to jump, just one person can change everyonesfreewill into a game of follow the leader.

Hmm I think Japan has more atheist as well, I heard a statistic that is was about 40% ( but like 89% of statistics are made up) So it could be a west hemisphere thing maybe we just reject the unfamiliar out of defense?

[guerrillasaint]

Well since your are curious God has told his followers to be fishers of Men. All I have to tell you is that Christ died for your sins and he loves you and would like for you to follow him. It is not my duty to convert you, and I am no longer caught up in need to do so. I have realized that I don't have that power because it isn't my choice. so if you have made your choice not to follow God then I have to respect that. Still I stay on this sight because some of the people here have the wrong idea about what following God is. So I going to tell you what is correct according what God has told me.

Now on to open mindedness. It goes both ways. Are you open to my beliefs? I believe that it is a matter of respect. Are you open minded enough to allow me to believe in one God and not be considered unreasonable. I believe open minded is being able to listen to someones Ideas and considering them, but it should not be requirement to accept it to be deemed open minded. I see how you may come to that conclusion that there is no God but I do not agree with you. Does that make me closed minded? Think about it does it make since to believe that such a large number of people are all closed minded? There are too many people with so many different stories. Maybe (and I apologize if I am putting words in your mouth) you don't want them to judge you. Which if they are Christians they should do. What we as people need to learn is how to disagree and still be able to remain civil.

Also all those who say they are Christians don't truly put all there trust in God. That is what it means to be true believers in God. Just know that he exist isn't enough. To some people being a Christian is some times just a tradition or a title.

Or it could be one ring leader telling them to jump, just one person can change everyonesfreewill into a game of follow the leader

You never lose your freewill. You have a choice in everything you do.

Also the Japanese are anymore open minded than any other race in this world. Just because they have a different way of thinking doesn't make them open minded.

[nonny]

No you don't seem closed minded and I don't think all theist are closed minded because that would be closed minded of me. And while i respect poeple enough to let them make their own desicion and listen to them I have a habit of not considering but debating...I understand where they are coming from I just like to have a nice open minded debate. The only poeple that are closed minded beyond a doubt are the zealots that don't even listen and just say the same hting over and over. I don't care if i'm judged I just don't care what that judgement is either and don't want poeple to share it with me because I think the only person that can judge you is your self.

Well I may have a skewed perspective but just what i've seen in churches I've been to it seem lacking in free will. But yeah I just get scared in some churches mostly only the ones that speak in toungues though.

[Amy]

nonbeliever said:

I just relised something while replying in another thread that it is mostly on chirstians/catholics/mormans that come here and try to curse us or have us repent. Why is that? Are the right? or Are they just more close minded then everyone else?

In all honesty, my parents and sister are Catholic. They can be tolerant of others, but most of the time, I would have to say that they are not at all. For example, they try to get me to convert to Catholicism almsot every day. They also try and convince me to go to church. Another example: my parents and sister are against homosexuality. They were taught that it is wrong. So, whether or not Christians are trying to be close-minded, it was just the way that they were taught. I mean, yea, I was taught the same principles. However, I had to unlearn what my parents and catholicism taught me. You also have to remember that Christians feel this overbearing need to "save" others. Basically, they listened to the Pope, who said, "Children, you need to go convert people, right now! You must save their souls!" But what the Pope forgot to say was that more people equals more money, and more money for the church equals more power with the government. And let's not forget that religion was basically started for obedience purposes.

nonbeliever said:

I know the lyrics are not religious in it's content but it proves a point. Perhaps the chirstians think that more of them makes them look right while if 5000000 poeple jump off a bridge and one person doesn't who was right? (ignore who is dead or not)

This last part compels me to talk about social behavior. It is an instinct for humans to try and find comfort from others. Society as a whole hates uniqueness - humans seek conformity. So, if 5000000 people were to jump off a bridge, they really did, in a sense, play "follow-the-leader"...

guerrillasaint said:

Maybe (and I apologize if I am putting words in your mouth) you don't want them to judge you. Which if they are Christians they should do. What we as people need to learn is how to disagree and still be able to remain civil.

Um... I'm just going to go with a "?" on this one.

nonbeliever said:

The only person that can judge you is your self.

Oh.. wow... yes. "You are your own true enemy".

nonbeliever said:

Well I may have a skewed perspective but just what i've seen in churches I've been to it seem lacking in free will.

Yea...

[nonny]

Exactly but in the 60's white poeple were taught to hate blacks and some of them relised it was wrong and stood with their fellow humans regardless of color to help them truimph over racism. So i think open mindness really has to do with morality and whether or not you are less strict with who is and isn't morally right. Because chistians/catholics are taught that gays are bad(my friend was distrubed the other day by gays but couldn't explain why) but the ones that are open minded are the ones that question why? Why are they bad? I mean you could argue that sex leading to pregnancy was a punishment after eve and adam ate the apple, and by being gay you avoid the punishment and therefore are avoiding god's word and are evil to avoid god and must be in cahoots with the devil.

Then again god created the devil so you are still in god's power just not directly......it's all a bit confusing i think.

[guerrillasaint]

Basically, they listened to the Pope, who said, "Children, you need to go convert people, right now! You must save their souls!"

I don't answer to the Pope. My main interest is what God thinks and even then I fail at that.

Also even though I disagree with how gays live their life I also understand that these people are more than their sexual preference. They can be saved just like the rest of them. I would be really wrong to pay more attention to what they are doing wrong and not try to correct the things that I am doing wrong. (and no one is perfect if they say they are they are lying) It even says it in the bible that you are being Hypocritical if you are more worried about someone else's problem and neglecting to fix your own.( Luke 6:42)

For example, they try to get me to convert to Catholicism almost every day. They also try and convince me to go to church.

maybe you should try to understand why your parents and sister are trying to get you to be catholic and God to church. They love you and they are afraid that you won't be able to live in bliss with them in heaven. They are not just concerned about this life they are also concerned about your next life. So it isn't them being closed minded it is their sincere concern for you. If you were my child it would keep me up at night and It would even make me cry because I would be afraid for your life. So don't be so angry at them when they try to get you to come to church with them. Now I don't know how they talk to you. They may do it in a not so nice way, but maybe they were never taught to do it in a respectful way if that is the case. If they are doing it in a respectful way and you really don't want to be bothered keep on saying no in a respectful way. I don't know if you have done it yet, but tell them why you don't believe in God. If you want them to really stop messing with you then tell them that all they really can do is pray for you because it is your choice still it is your choice.

I mean you could argue that sex leading to pregnancy was a punishment after eve and Adam ate the apple

do you think having a kid is really a punishment?

[nonny]

No i don't, It was an example of other ways to look at things. I like to look at other solutions or arguements it makes life more interesting.

And while you make good points I still disagree, there has to be a point where the person you are trying to persuade has heard all you have to say and still won't budge because they don't want to and by persueing the matter you are trying to block their free will and not allowing them to have free will. And it also can push poeple over the edge and they no longer can tolerate the theists that have shoved it down thier throats. I see where you are comeing from but do you at all consider where I am coming from that sooner or later enough is enough?

[guerrillasaint]

yes it can all become too much. Still not one can have there free will taken away. You always have a choice when it comes to your actions. You may not like he consequence so much that it feels that you have no options.

[Dragon*of*Heaven]

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es it can all become too much. Still not one can have there free will taken away. You always have a choice when it comes to your actions. You may not like he consequence so much that it feels that you have no options.

GS I agree with this but isn't a thing that proposes more and more measures of control on a moral basis conflicting with free will. In that sense isn't the church a bad thing? Wouldn't it be better to read the book and have the idea. Then live it if you feel it is correct or go on to another philosophy if you don't? That seems to me a far easier way to convince people of free will. I understand order. I understand that it is necessary for human survival, that is why we have government. What we don't need is children thinking they are evil for speaking against their druggie mother coming in with a different man every other night. (it has happened) We don't need people to feel that they shouldn't want what other people have. That would make the economic market go down hill fast. etc You can teach the philosophy without proclaiming it as Gods word all others are intrinsicly evil.

[mcculloch]

Christianity is supposed to be the one universal religion. They like to think that non-Christians are either ignorant or rebellious. Since we don't seem ignorant, then we must be rebels.

[snafui]

Posted by nonny on Jun 8, 2006, 5:43pm:

Are they just more close minded then everyone else?

Not all of them are. There are many within every discipline that has a fervor for what they believe and they feel the need to force it down other people's throats. Most of this behavior can be contributed to an overwhelming flood of information on one side of an issue. When people learn to listen to another's opinion, or knowledge, on the subject then the brainwashing will relax.

Posted by nonny on Jun 9, 2006, 6:36pm:

I mean you could argue that sex leading to pregnancy was a punishment after eve and adam ate the apple....

It was further complications that were added to childbirth for Eve eating the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge. There is nothing stated as to what it was like beforehand:

"To the woman He said, "I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children." -Genesis 3:16

And it was a hell of a punishment to pass on to future generations of women: have sex, get pregnant and potentionally die... much like playing Russian Roulette without as much fun in the process.

Posted by guerrillasaint on Jun 8, 2006, 11:29pm:

You never lose your freewill. You have a choice in everything you do.

And...

Posted by guerrillasaint on Jun 14, 2006, 3:00pm

You always have a choice when it comes to your actions.

And...

Posted by guerrillasaint on Jun 13, 2006, 8:13pm:

They love you and they are afraid that you won't be able to live in bliss with them in heaven. They are not just concerned about this life they are also concerned about your next life.

This is something that bothers me about Christian beliefs: God creates man with free will, then God tells man choose me or burn in a lake of fire. How can a God create a being that can choose Him or not, then cast them aside with their ability to choose something else. When coercion is involved free will is negated. Why should it be: God for all eternity or suffer for all eternity? Why not a God that says, "oh, ok, choose what you will there will be no reprecussions for not choosing Me." Is he not God enough to accept that some don't want Him? There being no alternative to Good v. Evil is a bit disturbing to me.

[necroshine]

This is something that bothers me about Christian beliefs: God creates man with free will, then God tells man choose me or burn in a lake of fire. How can a God create a being that can choose Him or not, then cast them aside with their ability to choose something else. When coercion is involved free will is negated. Why should it be: God for all eternity or suffer for all eternity? Why not a God that says, "oh, ok, choose what you will there will be no reprecussions for not choosing Me." Is he not God enough to accept that some don't want Him? There being no alternative to Good v. Evil is a bit disturbing to me.

I have asked him the same thing before. Her and me, we are friends. I know what she is going to say. But I would never put words in anyones mouth so I will let guerrilla respond.

As far as I can see it is that god must be so full of itself that this child like mentality keeps it thinking that “how dare some one I make should not like me, when I give them the choice to!” you love me or I will hate you. Do you see the childish ways of the thinking. So backwards that it could only come from the time period when man was far less grown up than now. To take this book as rules to live by is like talking life lessons from a 10 year old.

[snafui]

necroshine: Do you see the childish ways of the thinking.

This is actually a common theme in literature. What would an omnipotent, omniscient being be like? Some speculate that it would be very childlike because it would have the ability to do anything without rebuke by any higher power.