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Post by necroshine on Aug 14, 2007 5:43:58 GMT -5
And if they don’t follow the instructions how long do you punish them? Are you still punishing you child for the first thing they did wrong? I hope not that would be insane wouldn’t it? Well god is still punishing us for the apple incident.
Hell was around long before jesus came to die. People have been going to hell for a long time.
And if your friend told you about Allah would you then start believing in him? I don’t think so. What about the Indians that lived here way before the western world arrived? They never heard about jesus but they will go to hell because they believed in a false god. What about the Incas? The Spanish killed all of them because of the way they worshiped their gods. Why would you then start to believe in the god of the people that are bent on your destruction? I don’t know if I have said it here or not but great people of other religions will also go to hell like Gondi. How in the world can an all loving god send someone like that to hell just because he believes in a different god?
Can you honestly say that god is just by sending Gondi to hell? I would love an answer to this question from you. This is one of the top reasons I don’t believe in god. I have many more but this is good enough all by itself.
Don’t you think hell should be for people who have done something wrong? Not just because you don’t believe in the correct god? This is nowhere remotely an all loving god. If an ax murderer can go to heaven because they confess on death bed and ghndi goes to hell because he is a hindu then something is screwed up.
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Post by guerrillasaint on Aug 24, 2007 23:26:42 GMT -5
If my child continued to do the same things wrong I would first be sad because he or she wasn't so smart. Then I would continue to punish them every time they did it until he/she go the message. Still, I am not a God and disciplining a child is a way of teaching them what they did was wrong because they don’t know. It is not like hasn’t told us. So you have a life time to get it right. Also, God is not punishing us for the first sin He is punishing us for the sin that we do.
I believe those people who believed and loved God with all their heart, not just there actions, never went to hell. Jesus death on the cross was for all time. (I.E those who came before him during his life and after him)
God does not need man to tell people about himself. He is God isn't He? I don't think God will hold them accountable for what is in the Bible but I believe there is a overwhelming evidence of God and it is just our perceptions that block out all the truth. So I won't be surprised to see some people in heaven that knew nothing Paul or the Bible but knew everything about God.
Was Gandhi perfect and blameless? Did he never do a wrong thing in his life? Did he acknowledge the one true God? I don't know what went on in Gandhi’s head to tell you the truth. I personally don't think he will, but I don't know the relationship he may or may not have had with God. The deal is this isn't about being good or bad it is about being truthful with yourself and with what is going on in the Universe. Looking passed what this world tells you is good because the truth is we don't know that much about our existence.
Hell is because you have done something wrong. If there were perfect people on this earth then I not sure if Jesus would have died on the cross. I deserve hell it is mercy that keeps me out. The problem is we down play the wrongs we do because we like to compare ourselves to other people. We as people also down play the wrong we do by how many other people do it. Wrong is wrong is wrong no matter how many people have done the same wrong you have done or no matter how many things we think are worst then the thing we have done wrong. So hell will be full of people who have done wrong.
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Post by Dragon*of*Heaven on Sept 23, 2007 21:38:24 GMT -5
You claim to not know much about your existence. Yet you will not listen to the very things that will give you an insight into your existence. You don't take a step back from what you already believe and question whether you could be wrong. It is because you want this world to have so much more meaning than you see it having, however what you don't seem to understand is that this world has an underlining meaning to it based in the basic truths of our physical nature but we have gone out side of that to a point that which alows us to transend it and make our own meaning for existence. You could come up with a wonderful and beautiful reason for this to be. You can get up every morning and have that reason that you have shaped with your own mind, it brings with it a happiness that fills you up with joy and love. However you don't want to take the trouble to try. Instead you seem content to simply let others spoon feed you their own reasons. It is much the same rule as winning a medal, If you are not enough without God you will never be enough with him. You have two good strong legs Guerrillasaint, I think that you should get up and use them. Stand on your own, think on your own. Put your self out there for the world and let it do its worst. Dont cow down to what some preacher says. Think for your self and love your self these are the only two things and the things that come from them are the only things worth while in this world.
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