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Post by Filter on Nov 17, 2004 13:20:59 GMT -5
The controversy over Kerry's military service in the 2004 presidential elections got me thinking about how today’s scrutiny of the Bible (namely the Gospels) is quite tame compared to the scrutiny put on living persons running for public office. The Gospels were written after the fact by disputable sources. Kerry’s service record was documented concurrently by known sources, many who are still alive. This is just one example.
If we can doubt the accounting of events that happened within the past 35 years, can we surely not be expected to question events that allegedly occurred several thousand years ago?
Kerry wasn’t wounded three times, but Jesus died on the cross? And then later walked away? Hmmm…
Me thinks Jesus wouldn’t survive the primaries!!
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Post by necroshine on Nov 29, 2004 20:49:57 GMT -5
Isn’t that the way it always is? This isn’t the first time we have had a good christen lie to us. So why would they question the bible you forget it also says in the bible do not question the bible. How convenient is that? They are just as evil as everyone else is. And in some cases more evil. But here is where your flawed. you are thinking logically, christens do not think that way.
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Post by Filter on Dec 21, 2004 17:02:14 GMT -5
you are thinking logically, christens do not think that way. I do think quite a number of Christians think logically, rationally in fact. But they seem to give an allowance for their beliefs to defy earthly boundaries. I used the above example (Swift Boat Vets) with someone a few weeks ago and they seemed to digest it, but then after putting it into their overall "persepective" of things, weighing it on the scale of relevance so to speak, they kind of tossed the question out. They gave me a sort of "but this is Jesus we're talking about" kind of look. It's like if you were playing Rock/Paper/Scissors with Jerry Falwell and he just "Jesus" everytime and claims to win. "But nothing beats Jesus," he would say... ;D
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Post by william on Mar 30, 2005 5:47:55 GMT -5
LOL , that was pretty good! But there must be something that your not considering, because so many people are willing to devote their lives to Jesus based on those Gospels.(myself included) We know that many people put their faith in john kerry and he turned out to be a dissapointment. yet for 2 thousand years people have been trusting Christ and Hes still the incumbant and has drasticly effected more lives than any other man in history. I think he would make a great canidate, hes got name recognition!
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Post by vertigo on Mar 30, 2005 13:40:45 GMT -5
Well John Lennon made the comment that he was more popular than Jesus and it got his music banned in some countries.
It's not that Jesus is such a fine fellow, it's that the people are so judgemental about it.
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Post by william on Mar 30, 2005 14:13:58 GMT -5
Well John Lennon made the comment that he was more popular than Jesus and it got his music banned in some countries. It's not that Jesus is such a fine fellow, it's that the people are so judgemental about it. I think its good that he found out that he was wrong about how popular he was compaired to Jesus, but they shouldnt have banned him.
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Post by vertigo on Mar 30, 2005 14:28:27 GMT -5
Perhaps it was good in an educational sense. What he found out was certainly not good. No fantasy character should be so popular. PS. I wonder if Harry Potter is a popular as Jesus? That would be equally not good... (okay, not equally)
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Post by william on Mar 30, 2005 15:00:39 GMT -5
Perhaps it was good in an educational sense. What he found out was certainly not good. No fantasy character should be so popular. PS. I wonder if Harry Potter is a popular as Jesus? That would be equally not good... (okay, not equally) Have you considerd how people beleiving in Him has effected the world? no no try to get past the inquisition and crusades. I mean hospitals, universitys, our western way of life with the freedoms we enjoy, your inailienable rights! If you are willing to be honest and look ! and by the way if you really look at what Jesus tought you can in no way justify the inquisition or the crusades.
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Post by vertigo on Mar 31, 2005 12:59:54 GMT -5
Now, now, you know this is dishonest. That Jesus was a better deity is hardly the issue. That most of humanity have been theists does not mean you can ascribe all these advances to that, it could have happened despite that, independently of it.
I see that you didn't mention abolition of slavery. How could you, because the Bible is certainly supportive of it. I guess that's one for the home team.
God fills a need but there are side-effects which are not good. Faith has negative side effects, that of being gullible.
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Post by Filter on Apr 1, 2005 13:06:26 GMT -5
I mean hospitals, universitys, our western way of life with the freedoms we enjoy, your inailienable rights! Now you had to go and start making things up. That's the problem with the whole Christ thing. Attribute everything good to the myth. Anything along the way that is bad was Satan's influence. Snore. Yes, gooey nice feelings and the Golden Rule are good influences. But does this mean we exist as individuals after our earthly existence? No.
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Post by william on Apr 1, 2005 16:53:32 GMT -5
please dont hessitate to check my facts befor asuming they are wrong . I also could have mentioned the scientific advances made by Christians who felt Science and medicine to be their Christian duty. as for slavery , just because the Bible mentions something,that does not mean it condones it. And the fact that t6he abolisionist movement was pushed almost exclusivly by Christians is worth mentioning.
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Post by Filter on Apr 4, 2005 16:01:02 GMT -5
I also could have mentioned the scientific advances made by Christians who felt Science and medicine to be their Christian duty. So in your logic I should hold Christianity as valid because people following the faith (or at least publically pretending, to avoid harassment) were successful? Will you hold other beleifs in the same regard? The point of this thread was that even with recent events we have opposing interpretations (or all out lies). How can the life of Jesus be taken at face value when it was written long after the fact? Question: How do you assemble the events and record a version of a past event? Does the Bible follow muster and do you accept other religious explanations that fit your standard?
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Post by william on Apr 5, 2005 3:12:41 GMT -5
So in your logic I should hold Christianity as valid because people following the faith (or at least publically pretending, to avoid harassment) were successful? Will you hold other beleifs in the same regard? The point of this thread was that even with recent events we have opposing interpretations (or all out lies). How can the life of Jesus be taken at face value when it was written long after the fact? Question: How do you assemble the events and record a version of a past event? Does the Bible follow muster and do you accept other religious explanations that fit your standard? No I wasnt actualy trying to prove anything on this thread, I was actualy just having fun, I thought you were also. I was only saying that Jesus has had a very possitive impact on the world and acheived what He said he wanted to acheive, as aposed to John Kerry who has had little impact and has failed at most of what he has tried(thank God!) I dont agree that the gospels were written long after the events happend and there are plenty of hostile writings that help to substansiate the gospels. what other religious explanations? if you point me to them I will consider them. I have investigated the claims and assertions of most of the major religions. I actualy had planned to try to get to know some people here befor engaging in any real debate. Sorry if I sent your thread off of what you had in mind.
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Post by Filter on Apr 5, 2005 16:29:47 GMT -5
I was only saying that Jesus has had a very possitive impact on the world Yes, yes... rule number one, always make sure you pick a hero who is at minimum, dead. Living one's end up saying or doing something stupid....
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Post by CCWriter on Dec 19, 2005 17:20:25 GMT -5
William- Why are you on this forum? You sure don't sound like an atheist...
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