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Post by Superhappyjen on Jul 29, 2004 12:36:24 GMT -5
SuperhappyjenJen, why did you choose ck over me? I know you can only vote for one person, but there must be a reason why you choose him over me. Care to explain? I suspect both of you equally of being scum but since ck already has a vote against him, I thought maybe he would be easier to lynch.
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Post by Superhappyjen on Jul 29, 2004 12:45:24 GMT -5
Sorry ive been away i was having board problems again but it fixed itself YOur random voting was scummy behavior. You seem to be trying to make the town go against each other. AS far as i can tell you keep switching vote from vote. YOu have voted for pretty much everyone in the game. YOu seem to be trying to put pressure on everyone but yourself. YOur logic is crap. IM really no good at trying to figure stuff out and stuff. I guess ill dig more through the thread tommorow and come up with some stuff. You should definitely do that, because calling my logic crap doesn't cut it (as your partner Mav said to me). My random voting was scummy behaviour. Everyone keeps saying this. However could you please explain how this strategy could help me in any way if I were the sk or the mafia? How does it "turn the town against each other"?
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Post by Superhappyjen on Jul 29, 2004 12:58:32 GMT -5
Yaw, we both suspect Mav of being mafia. The only difference is that you think he's working with me and I think he's working with ck. Surely you can see that Mav's voting and campaigning against me will do nothing except possibly get me lynched. So do you still think I am his partner?
For everyone. Does anybody else seem to be working as a team besides ck and Mav? If so, point it out to me. MAv has said repeatedly that he thinks I'm the sk, but who is the mafia if it isn't you, Mav?
ALso, are we still missing Kalena?
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Post by Yaw on Jul 29, 2004 15:05:18 GMT -5
We are still missing Kalena. Pie is working on that. I would prefer to see the final replacement here and contributing before a lynch occurs, given the choice.
Superhappyjen
Well, no. Your random voting was strange behaviour. I was quite prepared to pass it off as newbishness with a verbal warning. I'll admit that I did consider it worth voting for as a preliminary information wagon, but it has nothing to do with why I consider you to be scum now. I have reiterated this point several times.
Superhappyjen
Yup. I think he's a realist who saw the pressure on his partner, didn't think he could get it off you without looking suspicious, and so joined the bandwagon. It depends on the player, but any intermediate-level mafia player should be quite willing to go after a partner if it means he/she will escape detection. I think Maverick is your partner because of the manner in which he is going about justifying his vote -- it's a little dicey, and there's a sense to it that he's begging you to justify yourself enough that he can get off the bandwagon (and hopefully divert it) without looking suspicious.
At any rate, Maverick's scumminess is dependent on your scumminess. So I'd much rather lynch to confirm the keystone of my argument.
Superhappyjen
This makes my point for me so eloquently. Of course you want to vote for ck. He is an easier lynch, because of his playing style. But this means you're looking for an easy lynch, rather than a lynch of scum. Not very pro-town of you.
I also note that you steadfastly refuse to vote for your partner, despite the fact that voting for Maverick would be the logical thing to do were you pro-town. After all, he is where our purported suspicions intersect.
I'll try to get a read-through in tonight.
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Post by Superhappyjen on Jul 29, 2004 15:37:28 GMT -5
Well, no. Your random voting was strange behaviour. I was quite prepared to pass it off as newbishness with a verbal warning. I'll admit that I did consider it worth voting for as a preliminary information wagon, but it has nothing to do with why I consider you to be scum now. I have reiterated this point several times. Well I was responding to ck's quote and other comments about my supposed scumy behaviour. I understand your reasoning, but there was no serious threat to me when only you and ck were voting. Mav's unending stream of crap logic (which I have already responded to) is what seems to be changing people's minds. Why would he do this if he were my partner? Mav's scumminess is not dependent on mine. He could be working with ck, like I said. OR he could be the sk (though I find this unlikely). I also said that I suspect ck and Mav equally. Mav's scumminess, in my view, is dependent on ck's scumminess. If I suspect them both, why wouldn't I vote for the one of them that is easiest to lynch? How is going after the easiest to lynch scum, make me anti-town? I considered changing my vote to Maverick but I don't think one vote carries enough weight. If you and/or someone else were to vote Mav, I certainly would too.
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Post by Superhappyjen on Jul 29, 2004 15:44:43 GMT -5
ck, eccentric random votes doesn't make scummy, it prods people to talk and get conversation flowing. You seem to be against this, as your posts and your vote for jen suggest. Keeping activity low so you can blend in? That sounds more scummy than random voting. This was your reasoning for voting for ck, Griffey. Could you say more about why you suspect ck? Do you agree with my theory that he is working with Mav? Since ck is not voting for you, I think your arguments against him will hold more weight than mine. Please share.
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Post by AuntieSocial on Jul 29, 2004 17:42:58 GMT -5
I understand your reasoning, but there was no serious threat to me when only you and ck were voting. Mav's unending stream of crap logic (which I have already responded to) is what seems to be changing people's minds. Why would he do this if he were my partner? As Yaw mentioned, sometimes a mafia partner must be willing to sacrifice their partner (or themselves) if it means diverting attention away from themselves (or their partner, if they are the one under serious attack). Also, Yaw pointed out that he may (if he is you partner) be trying to force you into giving some justification for him to get off your bandwagon while saving face.
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Post by AuntieSocial on Jul 29, 2004 17:50:32 GMT -5
Ugh!!! I hate not being able to edit! The second quote in the above post is for one paragraph, follwed by my comments. You can see where the next quote was due to begin.
I was incorrect in my memory of the sequence of votes on ck. The correct events are as follows:
Jen voted for ck for being late, then unvoted him in favour of voting for Yaw.
Griffey voted for ck because ck seemed to be against the idea of random voting (although I think he was more against the switching or continual "random" voting)
Jen was quick to state that she thought either Griffey or ck were scum. She followed this with a second vote on ck.
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Post by Narninian on Jul 29, 2004 19:30:10 GMT -5
Sorry I havnt commented in a while, Ive only had a few minutes here and there and Ive had board problems... I wanted to say earlier that comparing Jen to a RL serial Killer personility isnt going to get us anywhere. The Serial Killer in this game isnt going to act like a real one anymore than mafiaso will start talking in Italian accents tipping us off. A serial Killer is hard to detect because when it comes to lynching, often they have the same goals as town - Lynch the mafia. It makes them look like town, and gets rid of the competition. Its true they are probably more willing to lynch townies or especially cops - but I dont think comparing a player to a real life irrational Serial Killer is going to get us anywhere...
I hate to speculate at this point who scum is - it seems to be only a couple players participating, and Im not seeing the rest of the people speak. We seem to have lurkers present.. and that just hurts the town's chances.
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Post by AuntieSocial on Jul 29, 2004 19:57:17 GMT -5
That was my mistake, Narninian ... I thought Maverick was comparing Jen's behaviour to case studies of SKs ... and I disagreed with the characteristics he was citing.
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Post by Griffey on Jul 29, 2004 20:26:32 GMT -5
Ok, I will verify.
First, let me get this out of the way; I don't see any real connection between Mav and CK in my mind. I just think Mav is for some reason being a little naive even though he's played this game before...don't know how to interpret that tho.
Second, my evidence was really shaky, and I'll admit that. I was only voting and providing reasons to get some convo flowing, get him to respond to accusations. After reading through recent events, I am even more confused than ever and am not sure I want to keep my vote where it is.
So let me sum it up. So far most of the conversation seems to have been a Yaw vs. Mav vs. Jen triangle with Auntie providing commentary, as well as a few other people popping in once in a while to say something. Mostly it seems like Jen is getting more of the negative attention out of this thing, although Mav and Yaw are poking at each other.
Your conversations have mostly been erratic, to tell you the truth. It doesn't make any of you seem that much more scummy. Although Mav's sudden amnesia about how Mafia is played strikes me as a little odd...If I had to vote right now I'd say out of the three of you he's the scummiest. But I am not about to make that official just yet.
My real suspicion is starting to go toward people who haven't really been posting much. I realize some of these people probably have legitimate excuses for such, so kindly make those known, otherwise I'm getting the feeling we have some lurkers trying to avoid attention.
And my earlier post still stands--I am rather busy myself and may or may not be on every day. I apologize.
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Post by Maverick on Jul 29, 2004 20:35:07 GMT -5
Griffey
Griffey, I am unsure of how you came to this conclusion. How have you come to the conclusion that I am suddenly having amnesia?
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Post by Griffey on Jul 29, 2004 21:02:31 GMT -5
I say this because I really have no idea why you'd think a serial killer on this game would inherently have some behavior markers like paranoia...you don't have a personality to follow, you just have motives. It strikes me as bizzare.
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Post by ck on Jul 29, 2004 21:43:31 GMT -5
I think that is the most scummiest thing anyone has said in this game. I am voting for ck cause he will be the easiest to lynch. This conversation seems to be going in circles.
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Post by Superhappyjen on Jul 30, 2004 5:36:09 GMT -5
I think that is the most scummiest thing anyone has said in this game. I am voting for ck cause he will be the easiest to lynch. This conversation seems to be going in circles. Well, I agree that the convo is going in circles. I didn't think you'd be an easy lynch, I just thought you'd be the easier lynch out of Mav and you. Both of you being scum. However, I see now that many people are beginning to suspect Mav (even though they are not voting for him). In hopes that they will act on their suspicions, I'm going to make the first move: UNVOTE: ck VOTE: Maverick
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