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Post by vertigo on Aug 26, 2005 10:57:58 GMT -5
I would like to point out that Satan wasn't an angel, etc, he was the desciple Peter. As evidence, I refer to Mark 8: 31-33, where I read:
Clearly Peter is Satan, if you doubt it, just read the Bible. I must say, the Bible is a great source of knowledge. Thank God I don't trust my mind.
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Post by b33 on Aug 26, 2005 23:15:04 GMT -5
Humm do the ones who doubt gods powers, really have knowlage that they think they do? How can one sit there and denny GOD, and expect to sway my views, I have recvied jesus, but just as well as you can conqure the satin, by fleeing from his will, from him although it is not GOD which makes you choose your ways, it is GOD who watchs down on you every time you pray, every time you sleep, every time you sin, every time you breath, it is HIM who heals.
Jesus the SON OF GOD, is GOD. Think about his life, think about his existance, think about what happend, he was an inniocent man KILLED BY US, KILLED BY US PEOPLE WHO SIN, every nail they jamed though his hands was real, and had taken place, every moment of his suffering was for US. Every time you SIN and every time you displease GOD, JESUS is still there praying, PRAYING FOR ALL WHO HEAR AND BELIVE.
Satin's will is to sift us as wheat, he is the thoughts and he is the one who is after you. You are either with GOD, or your with satin, why would you want to be with the sin, in which creates your problems, the one who is your enemy in your success as a person. Any one denying they have problems and have sinned, is lieing.
Tell me if you disbelive in god, and I mean you disbelive in him so much that you will even deny him, and say and send out energy which denys his love, and his power, what is the reason you really send out this energy, the reason is simple, its beacuse you are sitting back and not standing up for your rights, your right to deny the devil, to flee from him, although hard and I too was swept away by his intents, but now I see it clear, you have belivers, and non belivers.
p.s. If one does not belive in GOD, what is your view on SATIN??
you can see not see satin physically, but you see him every where, it is him which tempts us, but is us which chooses the outcome. p.s. I really wish you all would have the self control to stop dennying god, that just shows me whos in control, and quite frankly almost everything I read of you guy's is haughty, and you seem to all be humbling eachothers haughtyness.
Revenge is sweet, i know it, but... the one who trusts in GOD and has him, if he turns down revenge shall be rewarded, TRY IT, GOD IS THE ONE WHO CREATED IT ALL, THE CLOUD THAT FLOATS, ALL THE MATERIAL YOUR HEART CRAVES, the root of all evil we all want is money, try to give a dollar to someone in need, see the rewards in disowning the root of all evil to help a brother out, and dont think aww hes just trying to get my money, you can look past ones glare and see if its for lust, but perhaps the man lusts for the root of all evil, you pass and give 1 dollar of the root, it is a free blessing, which is PROMISED BY GOD.
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Post by b33 on Aug 26, 2005 23:34:19 GMT -5
B33 you have posted some odd crap before but this takes the cake so far. So you believe in the things that you can not see but a thing like a STAR you don’t know is real? No one I have ever met before needs a course in logical thinking as much as you do. Look at the evil inside this one, the mans labled hes evil, the man does not see my allusion of words, which was not ment to be literal, I guess some people just cant see it, and p.s. This stuff I post is my knowlage and its so logical that you cant comprehend it beacuse you are just on the first level of logic, your mind sees what it can see, your mind does not see what it knows is real yet... I really fell sorry for a person like you, I see nothing but negitive come from you, no honesty, you really think your better then me, and you really take words which a brother says with no understanding, I guess once you have god you can see both sides, but once you against him you can only view it one way. lol preach it preach it, man oh man this guys a cocky one, a big man to go up against the creator you are, yeah right.. p.s. let me respond to your reponse on my post, and this is proff you just dont understand beacuse your saying somthing that I didnt even say!! You said :So you believe in the things that you can not see but a thing like a STAR you don’t know is real? My repsponse to this is... What makes you think i can not see what I belive in, you must be looking for a person called GOD to lay your eyes on for proff, I see his presence all over, so what I see is real, secondly it is the star which i know is real, but It was the star I was comparing its complexity to GOD, you cant even understand what I said about the star allusion, so what makes you think you can understand GOD?? With all the respect in this suggestion, you really need to stop thinking with your mind about disproving me, it is such thought that has created your false reponse to my post, and it is your misunderstanding which still lies unanswerd, why? well personally I think your thinking to much about disproving it, rewire your ENERGY to find the existance of him, and you will see. p.s. Dont think I hate you, i'm just writeing you back with the same respect youve shown me.
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Post by b33 on Aug 26, 2005 23:45:23 GMT -5
P.S. read my last 2 posts to all the non belivers.. and my last words in this post is this.. For someone who says theyve found christ, be happy for them instead of hateing me, and disproving my view, if you truely think its wrong then why would you not say in complete cock-ness, yea thats awsome youve found jesus man im so happy for you! Hallaluja! Personally you cant, beacuse you want my answers, you want the doubts which you think to be answerd, im here and can answer but it is GOD which can destroy that doubt and take over. Now how about you try to be really cock to me, and say HALLALUJA BRIAN, CONGRADULATIONS ON FINDING JESUS, beacuse it is an answer such as this, which proves true un-beliveablity, so continue to smash me I guess Or just congradulate me, and be a cock-asshole since this world I view is so off the wall, right??
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Post by vertigo on Aug 27, 2005 7:12:39 GMT -5
So says you.
You see things which you think supports God's existence. However, nothing can support God's existence because we can never see/experience God. These effects you see are just effects, and positing a supernatural cause is saying nothing at all. You can't verify that God is the cause.
Knowledge only concerns the natural, it only concerns natural causes. The supernatural is moot. Saying that God caused something is saying nothing more than "I don't know what the cause is". You could take any unexplained phenomenon and say that God caused it. It is not knowledge and it is not useful.
It isn't awesome, it is depraved. If you believe someone is in the wrong, the proper thing to do is to tell them that, that they are wrong. It is better for everybody. People aren't innately good or evil, what they do is good or evil. What they do is right or wrong. By telling them they are wrong you learn more about them by how they respond, and potentially you benefit them. Benevolence is a virtue.
Being snotty doesn't help anyone, it only makes you feel good because you want to prove you are superior to that person. It reminds me of the news lately of the BTK killer being sentenced. One victim-relative said to Rader "you are such a coward!". That is an incredibly stupid thing to say. His first murders were a whole family. That's a brave thing to do. If anything, he wasn't a coward. Calling him that is just an ego-play.
Even more depraved is that one said that when he dies the victims will be walking with God watching him burn in hell. I would love to ask her why God didn't stop the murders. I mean, what good is he if he lets whole families get horrendously slaughtered?
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Post by droskey on Aug 27, 2005 18:46:43 GMT -5
b33 It's a lovely fabric. Very smooth and soft. I tend to think of it as a somewhat feminine fabric. I probably wouldn't wear anything with much satin in it myself.
b33 Yea! That's awesome! You've found jesus, man. I'm so happy for you! And jesus, too. You know, for being found.
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Post by solidsquid on Aug 27, 2005 21:02:12 GMT -5
P.S. read my last 2 posts to all the non belivers.. and my last words in this post is this.. For someone who says theyve found christ, be happy for them instead of hateing me, and disproving my view, if you truely think its wrong then why would you not say in complete cock-ness, yea thats awsome youve found jesus man im so happy for you! Hallaluja! 1) I don't recall anyone saying they hate you because you've "found Christ". 2) You came to an atheist messageboard. 3) You started telling us we're wrong for not "accepting Christ" and believing in god and proceed to preach to us. We don't hate you, you're annoying but we don't hate you. And you're not annoying because you are a Christian either. You're annoying because you: 1) Do not respond to well over half of the rebuttals to your arguments. 2) Constantly abandon discussions with claims of defeat and the "I'm leaving and taking my toys with me" attitude only to start another preach thread. 3) What did you expect coming to an all atheist messageboard? Of course we're going to ask for prove and substantiation of your claims in at least a logical form. You can't toss around metaphors and simlies as aphorisms and expect us just to sit and say, "Yeah that's great. We love you.". This is a discussion board with topics that are debated (albeit informally) on. If you wish for unchallenged agreement, please do us a favor and go here: www.christianforums.com/BTW, congratulations on finding Jesus.
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Post by Hilly on Aug 27, 2005 21:26:35 GMT -5
Not to highjack this thread (although it probably should be highjacked as b33's ramblings have become redundant and bordering on gibberish) I wonder vertigo if you could elaborate on why you feel that what the BTK killer did could be called "brave"?
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Post by necroshine on Aug 27, 2005 21:37:04 GMT -5
I can not speak for vertigo but here is what I think. First off I think you would have to be brave to try to do what he did. I’m not saying what the btk killer did was good, it just took some level of bravery. Its like what Bill Maher went through. He said that the 9-11 terrorists was brave. Because it takes guts to kill yourself for what you believe in. his show was canceled. But I think it’s the same thing.
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Post by Hilly on Aug 27, 2005 21:42:55 GMT -5
We don't hate you, you're annoying but we don't hate you. And you're not annoying because you are a Christian either. I agree, hate is such a strong word, and I certainly have no such feelings for you b33. I really don't think I have feelings of hate for anybody really. I think the emotion of hate (it hate is indeed an emotion?) generaly results in a hurtful negative way for humanity.
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Post by Hilly on Aug 27, 2005 22:18:08 GMT -5
I can not speak for vertigo but here is what I think. First off I think you would have to be brave to try to do what he did. I’m not saying what the btk killer did was good, it just took some level of bravery. Its like what Bill Maher went through. He said that the 9-11 terrorists was brave. Because it takes guts to kill yourself for what you believe in. his show was canceled. But I think it’s the same thing. I guess I'm sort of wondering where the line of bravery and insanity cross. I just don't think bravery in the strictest interpratation of the word really comes into play when one is obvioulsy psycotic and will likely kill as the urge to do so would trump whether one is "brave" or not? Concerning the 9/11 kooks, I believe they were delustional, as are all theists to some extent. I have heard that they were convinced that what they were doing was right and the will of Allah, and they would be rewarded in heaven with beautiful virgins and utopia. Bravery? Not bloody likely.
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Post by vertigo on Aug 28, 2005 5:18:04 GMT -5
Okay, let's sort this out. When you take a risk, it means you possess something of value which you will put on the line, in the hope of gaining greater value. The degree to which you value that which you risk is the degree to which you are brave.
Giving your life for a cause is the ultimate act of bravery, but not in all circumstances. Suicide bombers don't value their lives, they view them as merely an interim period before they go to paradise. Blowing themselves up is a way to hasten that journey. Therefore, being a suicide bomber is not an example of bravery.
If you love life and yet you are prepared to give it, that is the greatest bravery.
Now concerning this BTK killer, supposedly he went to the house of his first victims expecting only the wife to be there. It turned out the whole family was there, but he didn't decide to abort what he was doing, he killed all of them. Certainly he wasn't afraid enough to leave it.
So either he cared for what he might lose and was brave, or he didn't much care for what he might lose, and therefore decided to go through with it. I have read that some of his crimes were clumsily done, he wasn't as meticulous as he could have been. That would indicate that he didn't much care to be found out. After all, he did send letters to the police, etc, and allowed his voice to be recorded. He left clues, etc.
I take back what I said; I think he was definitely not brave. Incidentally, the distinction between humans and animals is that we are capable of bravery.
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Post by b33 on Aug 29, 2005 1:53:43 GMT -5
haha dont get me wrong, but if the man who is disproving my views, and my knowlage of GOD, and he belives that the BTK killer was brave, you are completely wrong, and have used the wrong analogy, what he did was LUST with his heart, and it was the exact oppisate of BRAVE, what he did was kill and rape a women for sexual pleasures, all his other ramblings where his self-consious CRUSHING IN, and crafting himself an excuse for his actions, now, dont get me wrong this man had mental issues with women, did not ever get laied, and he felt so traped from what he wanted, that he went out and forced it tohappen, he begain to think so deeply in lust with his own mind, he over looked the outcomes, and by outcome I mean more then what happens to him, but the outcome of the women who had a life, a ACTUALL FAMILY, the mans lust corrupted his eye, for a treasure, now.. back on the subject of this being BRAVE.... necroshine your a little wierding me out, the way you say you think hes brave, and so it a terrioist who would go and kill himself, your dead wrong, these men are COMPLETE COWARDS, what type of man does not life a life to create positive outcome, but goes out and destroys?> ? yes a WEAK PERSON. BTK himself has issues, and his issues are way behond his ability to fix, he has been looking at a life in such a way, and hiding the murders for what, 17 or so years, now the karma of the mans lust has come back, just like evryones karma, now this mans karma though was hudge, and it was coming to him like the human blinks his eye. P.S. Do you think your negitivity bothers me? No it does not, I understand your situation, and I have a strong frame of mind, my mind crafts my outcome, your view is seperated from me, although I will intake your words, I will filter them out as soon as I see false knowlage proceeding to go out and compose information to be TRUE, beacse validating false information, creates trust in it to a nwe reader, being verifiyed by a life source, creates tension of belief. Now, your small bashings, saying im anoyying makes me think your immiture as your role in being a man, then makeing me want to go cry to my mom beacuse you hate me... Throw your knowlage of false information my way, ill read it.. dont mean im going to fall for the bull shit.. just like you saying no GOD, haha thats a weak person lusting for power, and you all know you want power, such is the man GOD who can control the type of power we all want, he is the one who has control and can create your life in your image, as well project an image, now your risk is living it though your image, dunno how you live, but im guesing alot of porno, and I dunno, porno for sure, beacuse I too used to be hooked lol, just like every damn man, but any way, let the image project itself. The onlything you need, is GOD, though GOD comes all which you relly want, he himself knows you want your new guitar, he himself knows you want a women, he himself knows it, but it is he who provides the space, and life to build and adapt to your thoughts, the point is this, JESUS is the man who is BRAVE, not BTK, that is oppisite of JESUS, now I cant say oppisoite beacuse, although BTK was a corrupt soul, it is himself which is a small amout of the coruptness which exsists, the oppisite of jesus, is still to come, but it is JESUS who come and fufilled the imiage GOD had set to project to us, the world, it is JESUS who was the work of GOD, and it is JESUS who speaks such truth, that the truth becomes flushed out by doubt and misunderstanding. So says GOD, every sinful temptation can be defeated, and it is these temptations you resist that can get closer to GOD, the BOND of knowing of the most powerfull person in the world, one who knows all and sees all, is like candy to him when he sees a soul with faith, a soul which does not understand fully of his existance, but has the heart to belive and know it, beacuse it is HIM who can see that he belives it, and it is him which can see you doubt, now although we all doubt, it is him which will watch you live as you wish, but it is him which can satistfy you though true bravery, have faith, the one you can not see, is the one that can be felt withen the soul, it is him who rests inside are soul, me you and everyone else.
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Post by b33 on Aug 29, 2005 2:38:53 GMT -5
p.s. To all who congradulated me on finding JESUS, even though out of complete cockyness lol, thank you alot, thats awsome!
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Post by vertigo on Aug 29, 2005 3:57:23 GMT -5
B33, you should have seen that I took back what I said in that last post, after clarifying what bravery is. I specifically said religious nutters aren't brave, and this includes you. You aren't brave for preaching on an atheist forum, because you don't value life.
People who congratulate you for finding Jesus are being sarcastic of course, but I think the situation is too serious for sarcasm. You have a serious delusion, it's killing you.
Tell me something. If by some miracle us atheists managed to convince you that God's existence has no meaning, how would you feel? Would you feel no compulsion to be good? Would you pillage and plunder?
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