snafui
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Post by snafui on Sept 5, 2006 10:58:06 GMT -5
Lets take the following group of verses into consideration for a view on duplicity on Jesus' prophecy of His own death:
1a) For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. - Matthew 12:40
1b) He then began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and after three days rise again. - Mark 8:31
2) Now it was the day of Preparation, and the next day was to be a special Sabbath. Because the Jews did not want the bodies left on the crosses during the Sabbath, they asked Pilate to have the legs broken and the bodies taken down. - John 19:31
3) On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb. They found the stone rolled away from the tomb, but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus. - Luke 24:1-3
This is something that is known, but I want to see what you guys think of the above contradiction.
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Post by necroshine on Sept 6, 2006 20:48:08 GMT -5
There are a few different things there. But what more to the point are you getting at?
Was jonah a failed attempt to make a god or just a prequel? Lol. Anyway please give me a bit more on the contradiction you are talking about.
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Post by Dragon*of*Heaven on Sept 7, 2006 8:33:14 GMT -5
Im going to agree with necroshine here snafui can you elaborate a little on this topic.
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Post by snafui on Sept 7, 2006 13:58:23 GMT -5
Well the fun was for you guys to figure it out... I sure can't figure out the science aspects so I thought I'd have some fun with you lol
1a) The prophecy by Jesus, Himself, was that he woud be three days and three nights in the ground.
1b) The second prophecy says that He would rise after the third day.
2) The next day was the sabbath.
3) The first day of the week is Sunday. The sabbath is Saturday. Jesus was killed on a Friday*.
It's not three days and three nights in the ground, Jesus couldn't get his own prophecy of His death and resurrection right!
*Apologists try convoluted logic to say he actually died on Wednesday or Thursday, but it's garbage; it was a Friday, period.
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Post by necroshine on Sept 8, 2006 6:09:48 GMT -5
sorry but i don't see where it says when they killed him. i have never looked into this part that close. so i'm a bit behind the curve to you. where does it say when he was killed? i would love to see what you say. it would be great if that is there. i have not looked it up yet, i have been drawing. that is more imporant to me.
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Post by snafui on Sept 8, 2006 11:27:37 GMT -5
It's the previous verse:
When he had received the drink, Jesus said, "It is finished." With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit. - John 19:30
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Post by necroshine on Sept 10, 2006 6:04:58 GMT -5
so you are saying that he died on a saturday and get up on a monday? i'm with you. that is not 3 days unless y9ou count the days everything happened in. but then again you cna not spend 3 days in darkness if half of it is spent on earth one day and start out the last day on earth. so the most he was dead was what one and a half?
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Post by Dragon*of*Heaven on Sept 10, 2006 17:35:36 GMT -5
Also lets not forget that even if the dude was taken from the cross then, arnt there monks who can slow their heart down to the point where it bearly beats. Also we have found nail marks on the inside of coffins when we accidentally bury people alive. and lest not forget that when usually romans discard of the crucified in acid, jesus's body went into a tomb. There is an amount of time that Jesus cannot be accounted for in the bible about 27 years right. That is more than enough even then to go and meet up with Muhammad and learn some serious stuff.
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Post by necroshine on Sept 11, 2006 5:37:59 GMT -5
was muhammad and jesus around at the same time?
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Post by Dragon*of*Heaven on Sept 11, 2006 9:39:22 GMT -5
No actualy i was a bit angry at the time I wrote that it actualy should read that he met up with islam and indian writes to learn some serious stuff.
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Post by snafui on Sept 12, 2006 10:00:17 GMT -5
When I learned meditation, I did get my heart very, very low but not so low you would think I was dead. That is a mastery of meditation I don't want to even try. Taoists (extreme ones that make it a religion) have been said that when they are ready to die, they stop their heart and pass away.
Actually he died on a Friday like I said earlier. Saturday is the sabbath for the Jews. It was changed to Sunday by Christians for various reasons, including, I believe, to make people think it was three days.
The 27 years that Jesus was not accounted is believed by some to be a time where He traveled to the far east and learned various techniques like healing the injured.
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Post by snafui on Sept 12, 2006 10:02:59 GMT -5
Was jonah a failed attempt to make a god or just a prequel? Sorry, Necro just registed the Jonah comment. Actually for them to use Jonah and the Fish (not whale, that's a Biblical error) is a poor analogy because Jonah did not die and ressurect. |
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Post by Unbeliever on Sept 19, 2006 17:34:33 GMT -5
I've used this same argument before, snafui, that Jesus could not have been "in the heart of the earth" for three days and three nights. He was supposedly in the tomb Friday and Saturday nights and that's not three nights by any stretch. But your're right, the apologists twist and turn and try to assert that jesus wasn't killed on a Friday, but on a previous day, like Wednesday or Thursday. Here's one apologetics site I just googled, where it is claimed that since jesus must've told the truth, then he couldn't have been crucified on Friday, or not resurrected on the following Sunday. |
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Post by Dragon*of*Heaven on Sept 20, 2006 8:07:11 GMT -5
This just goes to show ya that no matter what you cant disprove a theist, no matter what as long as they want to believe they will. Which is so stupid because all the evidence points toward the "God" not existing. Still it is relatively pointless to question them on it as they do not want to look toward reason lest they prove them selves false. Still this isn't even the end of their folly. The worst thing is that because of the possibility that they will prove them selves wrong they don't even really attempt to question the "fact" of their Gods existence. If you are afraid that you could be wrong and you have the inclination to keep your believes because it makes you comfortable you will no doubt not be able to question to the best of your ability. The Catholics and other Christians out there insinuate that their Gods existence is self evident, I state that not only is it not self evident it isn't even reasonable.
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Post by snafui on Sept 23, 2006 0:07:45 GMT -5
In a certain respect, if they are to even doubt God's existence they have commited an unforgivable sin (which is a contradiction I'll skip for now). The Bible says that if you "deny the Holy Spirit" you have commited an unforgivable sin. Well, to deny one of the trinity is to deny all. So any doubt is denial. This is not my reasoning by the way, this is what Christians say... very convoluted.
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