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Post by necroshine on Feb 9, 2007 6:40:23 GMT -5
What good does this bring? How is this something an all loving god would do? I understand what still birth is and how a baby can die before it is birthed from a scientific point of view. But if you believe in god then how can this happen? I saw where this has happened in my home town. The paper said that the couple was christen and would have the service in a church of course. This isn’t a blessing from god. This has no redeeming quality to it. If someone is worshiping god then why would he torture them like this? I had asked this to some of the believers that I work with. They just told me that I don’t understand. I agreed with them. I don’t understand how someone would till worship a god that would do this to them. They try to get pregnant ask god for a healthy child and he gives them a dead baby. I know the believers will have some explanation to why god would do this. I don’t care what you have to say what gods reasons are. this has no redeeming quality. This isn’t a way for an all loving god to treat the ones that love him.
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Post by guerrillasaint on Feb 22, 2007 18:06:49 GMT -5
What makes you think that God killed the Baby?
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Post by necroshine on Feb 24, 2007 7:46:43 GMT -5
God didn’t kill the baby. I’m sure it was a prenatal care thing, or something along that line. There is no god so god could not have killed the baby or gave it life. Hell you might as well said “what makes you think the pink invisible unicorn killed the baby with its mighty horn of death.”
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Post by guerrillasaint on Feb 24, 2007 20:01:17 GMT -5
You said So why would you think that God did that?
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Post by necroshine on Feb 28, 2007 7:02:29 GMT -5
Are you a broken record? Move the needle and say something new. I don’t believe in god but the parents do. So my question stands. If there was a god why would he treat his followers so horrible? You would think that a healthy baby would not be out of the question for an all powerful god. But that is just me trying to think about an illogical thing logically.
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Post by guerrillasaint on Mar 1, 2007 15:47:20 GMT -5
I still don't see why the baby dieing was God's fault?
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Post by necroshine on Mar 3, 2007 9:24:53 GMT -5
to believe in god is to believe he controls all. he is in control. so everything that happens is his fault. but again people will point to free will to say that god is not in control. either he is or he isn't. that is why i turn my back on all of it.
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Post by guerrillasaint on Mar 3, 2007 17:49:08 GMT -5
Control in what sense of the word? (here are some definitions of the word control dictionary.reference.com/browse/control) God has authority over everything. We are not his puppets. If he didn't allow some things to happen then He would be encroaching on our free-will. You can't give the excuse that since God is in "control" you are not responsible for what you do. |
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Post by necroshine on Mar 4, 2007 6:45:31 GMT -5
Look I’ll put it like this. If that family was to have a healthy baby they would had thanked god for the gift. And said something along the lines of “thank you god for sending us a healthy baby.” But they didn’t get a healthy baby they was given a corps. But now its their fault that the baby is dead, according to you god doesn’t need any blame. If we are to thank him when things go well then why are we not to hold him up when things go wrong? But that is our fault isn’t it? It is just so stupid to thank him or blame him for anything. We are on this earth god controls nothing. He isn’t watching over us. It’s a scam to get your loyalty and money. And you buy into it hook line and sinker. Its just like the storms that rip apart whole towns and kill hundreds of people. You will say god didn’t kill them people. But yet people will thank god for a nice sunny day when they get to spend time out in it. If you think you have to thank him for a sunny day then he is equally reasonable for bad weather. You christens what to have it both ways. Its stupid, and retarded. Now if you can not see my point or just don’t want to, that is up to you. I’m done talking abut this. That is my over all point to the whole issue. If you are going to thank him for good things happening then he needs the blame when things go wrong. I would rather live my life with a little more consistency than that. I’m responsible for everything that happens in my life. It is my fault when things go wrong and I deserve a pat on the back when things work out in my favor. God has nothing to do with any of it. Instead of thinking he is responsible for only the good things in my life. Your view on the world is very skewed.
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Post by guerrillasaint on Mar 4, 2007 23:46:07 GMT -5
You are supposed to praise God through the good and bad. Thank him fore sun shine and rain. Did they curse God for the baby dieing? If I had a miscarriage I would ask God why it happen but I wouldn't put the blame on Him. Why do you have to hold anyone accountable for the situation? Why is anyone so special not to have pain in there life? Life is full of good and bad situation and from each one you can learn. God allows you to go through things so you can learn and grow closer to you. If you don’t want to grow closer that is your choice. If you wish to blame him for the bad and good that is your choice. I don’t think you understand him so you wish to blame him for such things. You want him to be wrong so you point to the bad things and say how could He do this. Or you want to back up your belief in the nonexistence of a God so you want to point to thing that would explain how God does not exist. If I am wrong then excuse me that is what I seem to be getting from you. The question is why are you so mad? What ever it is I hope you can move passed it. If I have made you angry don’t let such hatred live in your heart. Life is too short and I never meant to hurt you or anger you in anyway. Still, I think your view of my view of the world is skewed.
Peace
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Post by Superhappyjen on Jul 13, 2007 10:12:09 GMT -5
If I believed in God I might say that He needed the baby for some special purpose in Heaven or something like that. If there was a heaven then killing someone wouldn't be that cruel, would it? The baby might have a better life in the afterlife than he would have had living a full life on Earth. Of course I'm not a Christian. Do any Christians see my point?
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Post by dan on Jul 15, 2007 21:26:42 GMT -5
If there was a heaven then killing someone wouldn't be that cruel, would it? The baby might have a better life in the afterlife than he would have had living a full life on Earth. Good point, Jen. This is exactly what we've been saying about situations like this and others such as the Flood, where many babies would end up dying. |
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