Irrefutable proof God doesn't exist

[NormalDan]

Hi everyone. I suppose this is where everyone introduces themselves. I am but a humble atheist living in Boise Idaho with a bunch of religious nutcases. I'm looking forward to posting all kinds of atheist stuff on this board. I think I'll finish things off with my proof God doesn't exist. This "proof" isn't really as irrefutable as the topic says, in fact, it's full of a ton of holes. It' main purpose is to entertain. The proof:

The main problem with proving God does or does not exist is the fact that God is poorly defined. Two people with two different ideas of God will come up with two conflicting arguments for the existence of God. This proof attempts to define God in such a way most people would agree with. Then using that definition it proves such a God cannot exist.

To define God, four terms must first be defined; Creation, Destruction, True Creation and True Destruction. If one wishes to create a house using trees, the trees must be destroyed. Likewise, if one wishes to create a pile of rubble, the house must be destroyed. When something is created something else must be destroyed. This is creation and destruction.

True creation however is the creation of something from nothing, likewise, true destruction is the creation of nothing from something. For the purpose of this proof God is defined as the only being capable of true creation and true destruction. This is a definition agreed upon by many people.

In creation, to create a house a tree must exists, else, no house. To create a pile of rubble, the house must exists, else, no rubble. Same is found it true creation. To create something from nothing, nothing must exist. Therefore, the only way God could exist is if nothing exists. And if nothing exists what are we doing here?

Furthermore, if nothing exists and God still exists, then God is nothing.

-Dan

[ToxicMoon]

That's a nice theory, but what about the Total Destruction part? The something to create the nothing to create the something, and so on.

The theory just needs a little polish, that's all

Don't ask me to add to it though, as I wouldn't have a clue.

By the way, welcome! ;D

[vertigo]

Well unfortunately your argument is fallacious. God is outside the universe, so you can't apply causality to him. Nothing needs to have caused God simply because he is an invention to escape causality.

"The universe couldn't have come from nowhere, God must have created it."

[Enuffalready]

I like the theory, fanatics will always argue something like "you just gotta have faith" or something equally silly. Anyway, as an aside, having spent some time in Idaho, hang in there its tough territory for atheists.

[Dragon*of*Heaven]

Welcome normal Dan. I belive that your argument though a fair one has some flaws. Vertigo is right you cant really aply the ideas of this world to a God. How ever even if you could it would still have some flaws.

At the begining (as a thist would say) there was nothing. Then God came forth and created the world. Thus this God would have stuck to the idea of true creation. Now for this to work God would have been the first creation. Now this would bring up the question of who created God? However to appy to this a God could have been a natural catalist to the properties needed for creation.

And thusly to end the cycle the God would then apply the use of "True destruction" thus ending the cycle. And allowing it to begin anew from nothingness.

Nice argument, but it needs some work. Welcome to the site.

[nonny]

I just have to say OMG someone that lives near me. Doesn't the cross on table rock suck? Wow welcome!!!!

[NormalDan]

Oh my God indeed. I must say, I feel a little less alone today. As for the cross, it doesn't bother me too much. Let them have their symbols and what not I say. The cross didn't stop me from becoming an atheist. Anyway, thanks for making my day.

-Dan

[nonny]

NormalDan said:

Oh my God indeed. I must say, I feel a little less alone today. As for the cross, it doesn't bother me too much. Let them have their symbols and what not I say. The cross didn't stop me from becoming an atheist. Anyway, thanks for making my day.

-Dan

Yeah I think it is just a tad bit redicoulus....funny thing is that is where all the highschool parties happen.

No prob.