Acriku
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I am the law.
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Post by Acriku on Jan 27, 2004 19:09:02 GMT -5
"Nothing doesn't really exist, rather it is a concept that we either invented or concluded logically.
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Post by dragonfly on Jan 27, 2004 23:04:42 GMT -5
I know what you are saying Acriku but "nothing" although a human concept is still describing a state .Even if we have trouble understanding the concept scientifically/mathematically most people understand it as an opposite to "something". I find both ideas of "something coming out of nothing" as opposed to "something always existing" equally disturbing....infact nauseating (and I might add entirely beyond my comprehension)#nosmileys
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r8thir
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Post by r8thir on Feb 7, 2004 9:43:00 GMT -5
The concept of "nothing" is... bleh... but that's philosophy for you. And that's what I tend to skip back to whenever anyone brings this kind of topic up. Because... Science can't conclusively explain it, because... the big bang theory hinges on the existence of a cosmological pinhead of hyperdense matter, or whatever an astro-physician that I am clearly not would call it... Religion can't conclusively explain it..... well, it can and has, but not to the satisfaction of anyone other than Mother Church, really. I don't know of a single Christian who doesn't get a little shaky when arguing for the 7 days theory. I'm probably gonna make myself look like an idiot here, but hey... Gravity exists, and is taken for granted. Time also exists, and is taken for granted. Both are generally seen as a kind of constant. Gravity, however, varies greatly as to the size and density of the object's gravitational field, ie, the difference between a lead ball bearing and say...Jupiter. Time has similar properties to gravity...ie, it's intangible, it's absolutely everywhere, etc etc. But, outside some extremely abstract mathematics, physics and philosophy theories, time is seen as an utter constant. Why? Because we live in a tiny sheltered little corner of the universe, and...possibly, haven't encountered anything that might distort time, as such. Just like if you were floating in deep space, and had, for arguments sake, been doing so all of your life... you really wouldn't get what gravity was or how it could vary and deviate. The idea of nothing makes me feel a sort of...mental vertigo. it's just so... beyond conception. Which is why being an atheist before i was ten scared the hell out of me. i was convinced death meant just that; nothing. I couldn't fully comprehend it, but the extent to which I did terrified me. I suppose more than a couple of theists have faith to avoid feeling that way. But, anyhow. What i was trying...pretty unsuccessfully... to say... was that maybe it's possible that time is a sort of a loop. A constant. one end connected to the other. it still wouldn't explain how said loop got started, but it's another thought. And on the subject of "nothing"? I think nothing is the absense of reality. And in the absense of reality, maybe there could be a omnipotent being to shape a reality.
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livinitup
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In God I trust
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Post by livinitup on Apr 19, 2004 9:26:00 GMT -5
Yes I suppose it would. However I did find this definition of nothing at Dictionary.com: "Something that has no existence." My roomate just said, what defines Existance, because just because you cant see something does not mean it does not exist...For Instance Radio Waves. Perception is the key to our believing in existance
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livinitup
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Post by livinitup on Apr 19, 2004 9:29:09 GMT -5
Time also exists, and is taken for granted. Are you sure on that point? Show me time? I would be willing to bet we made up time... Is this a correct statement?
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