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Post by necroshine on Mar 5, 2005 8:03:06 GMT -5
There is no understanding on gods part. Its just one blanket rule. That is like man having a rule that if you kill someone you will die. We don’t care why you killed someone your are just going to die. We know a blanket rule is no good. Why would god go by one if we are smarter than that. Isn’t god smarter than us?
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Post by Enuffalready on Mar 7, 2005 2:49:21 GMT -5
becasue you had your entire life to do it. He gave you all of those clues that you choose not to notice. It is like the end of a test. You don't get to say sorry I didn't study is it all ok now. At least you sholdn't be able to. Not a perfect example. To me its not a lack of study, its that my interpertation of the evidence suggests why. If god made me then he made me a skeptic and according to that there is nothing I can do about it.
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Post by guerrillasaint on Mar 19, 2005 4:25:43 GMT -5
Hey, I am a skeptic like you. I just see the evidence of God and you do not. Or maybe you do see but choose to ignore it. You say there is not understanding on God's part, but I do not even think you know God or care to know God. Still you clam that he is this way. How could you possible know? I have been trying to explain God to you but I do not think you care. He loves, He cares, but he will still discipline his child like my parents disciplined me. See if I ever choose to raise a hand against my mother I know that I would be out of their house. God is telling you to accept him and he will take care of you. If you do not accept him before you die, he will remove you from his presence. You say that no one chooses to go to hell and you are right, but consequences are consequences. You try to say God made you this way but you can make your own chooses. No matter what you say, God will always be who he is. You can choose not to believe him. You can say he does not exist but he will still be there with open arms waiting for you to come to him and love him. If you do not do that before you die then you are going to face the consequences.
It is not as simple as saying that it is a blanket rule. Yes, everyone has the same chance to reject or accept god. Yes, some will get the same reward or consequence but you choose. He does not make you do anything. You can be Hell all you want but there will be consequences.
He is call all those who will listen all of you who are just looking and not saying anything this isn’t just for them it for all of those who will answer the call. God is here right now. He does not just hang out in the church he is everywhere. In all of the places that the, so-called, “Good Christians” would not be caught dead in. He is asking you to accept him.
Have a great day
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Post by solidsquid on Mar 19, 2005 11:07:35 GMT -5
Hey, I am a skeptic like you. I just see the evidence of God and you do not. Or maybe you do see but choose to ignore it. What evidence might that be?
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Post by guerrillasaint on Mar 24, 2005 21:27:19 GMT -5
I know becasue God came to me when I was a child and at that moment I knew he was real. It was a sunday and I was in the tv room faceing my kitchen. the old leather coach was on the right of me. I was after church. On one of the few days that we went. Ever since then I have been a believer. Everyone who truly believes can tell you a story about when they became a believer. Some my not becasue It is too personal to them. Well that is my proof. It probably isn't proof enough for you but it did happen.
peace.
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Post by solidsquid on Mar 25, 2005 0:09:30 GMT -5
People see things that aren't real all the time. How can you be certain that the experience was not a product of your own brain? Or for that matter a confabulation?
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Post by Filter on Mar 25, 2005 12:22:43 GMT -5
I know becasue God came to me when I was a child and at that moment I knew he was real. Conveniently, anyone can make that claim. I could make the same or similar statement and vast numbers of people would believe me. Wouldn't they?
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Post by Enuffalready on Mar 28, 2005 9:53:41 GMT -5
I know becasue God came to me when I was a child and at that moment I knew he was real. It was a sunday and I was in the tv room faceing my kitchen. the old leather coach was on the right of me. I was after church. On one of the few days that we went. Ever since then I have been a believer. Everyone who truly believes can tell you a story about when they became a believer. Some my not becasue It is too personal to them. Well that is my proof. It probably isn't proof enough for you but it did happen. peace. No offense but shadows and noises had me absolutely conviced there was a monster in my bedroom when I was a kid. But just because I had "seen" it certainly didn't make it true.
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Post by GodsAreUs on Apr 21, 2005 11:31:28 GMT -5
Of course if you see it, it's true to you. Does that make it "real?" People who claim to have seen UFOs believe they exist. I've never seen a UFO, but if I did, I'd be a bit closer to belief.
Did you ever stop to think that all religion may have been born from nothing but a bad case of gas? Or some desert-dweller who acidentally picked a peyote plant to munch on, after which he wandered the desert talking to "God?"
It scares the hell out of me sometimes to think all the pain and suffering that's caused by religion could have origins in something so mundane.
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Post by thehack on May 9, 2005 18:02:09 GMT -5
How mature. The thing is, if there is no God, I don't lose. If there is a God, I don't lose. So either way, I'm fine. But if there is a God, you're sorta screwed. Why? Would god exact retribution for me not believing if he exists? What sort of god would that be, the jealous type? I can just see the conversation after I'm dead: "You are my little b*tch now. I'm going to punish you and send you to hell because you didn't believe. Enjoy your f**ked up eternity!" I say screw it. If god doesn't exist, I'm all good. If god does exist, and he sends me to hell for not believing, I've just proven to you all that your god is malevelent and evil. Sure, he exists, but he's a prick. In that case, that's not the "heaven" I want to spend time in, to be "his" little b*tch. The way I see it, I've got my bases covered.
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Post by Enuffalready on May 11, 2005 4:03:04 GMT -5
Why? Would god exact retribution for me not believing if he exists? What sort of god would that be, the jealous type? I can just see the conversation after I'm dead: "You are my little b*tch now. I'm going to punish you and send you to hell because you didn't believe. Enjoy your f**ked up eternity!" I say screw it. If god doesn't exist, I'm all good. If god does exist, and he sends me to hell for not believing, I've just proven to you all that your god is malevelent and evil. Sure, he exists, but he's a prick. In that case, that's not the "heaven" I want to spend time in, to be "his" little b*tch. The way I see it, I've got my bases covered. I'm with you all the way. If I got to the pearly gates and was confroted with my maker. I would surely apologize for not being wrong. I find it hard to believe that he would give me the freedom of mind that allowed my skepticism, which I see to be purely part of my nature, therefore its really HIS mistake cause he made me that way. So if he'd send me to hell for his screw up then he really is a prick.
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Post by thehack on May 11, 2005 12:56:34 GMT -5
I'm with you all the way. If I got to the pearly gates and was confroted with my maker. I would surely apologize for not being wrong. I find it hard to believe that he would give me the freedom of mind that allowed my skepticism, which I see to be purely part of my nature, therefore its really HIS mistake cause he made me that way. So if he'd send me to hell for his screw up then he really is a prick. That, of course, is assuming he/she exist. ;D
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Post by Enuffalready on May 12, 2005 4:22:06 GMT -5
That, of course, is assuming he/she exist. ;D Of course, I was just running with it. Its funny in a way I really I hope I'm right about his/her non-existance so that I don't end up eating crow in hell for all eternity. But in the same token I sorta hope I'm wrong because the idea of a god would certainly be comforting.
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