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Post by necroshine on Feb 22, 2005 18:33:43 GMT -5
Your welcome, It’s the simple truth. Christians are all atheists towards all other gods but one. i am an atheist towards all gods. The only difference is that I believe in one less god than they do. Please use it, there are no arguments against it.
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Post by guerrillasaint on Feb 23, 2005 2:29:45 GMT -5
Sorry to be gone so long I know you missed me. Ha.
Necroshine how have you been?
You haven't changed my mind. You could put a gun to my head and tell me to stop believing in god but at that very moment I would be praying. I can't lie and say that I don't believe in God. I can't say that I didn't question what he does, but I always get an answer. It may not be what I want but I get an answer.
You talked about free will and I have a problem with that senerio. See you are playing god. God is a real and true God. If he says he is giving you free will then he is giving you free will.
At this very moment he is giving every single person that runs across my answers to you have the opprotunity to believe that God loves you and would love for you to accept him. You choose to say no or yes. If I were you I wouldn't pass it up, but I am not you am I. Oh Neroshine I read that dream of yours. If that was real I would listen to the preacher. Man God is trying to get your attention. I am not just here for my benefit I am here for anyone how wants to hear and needs to hear.
Yes sir I am definite atheist towards other gods except the Jewish God for obvious reasons. Those other Gods for me are just decoys to trip people up.
God does wake me up in the morning. I know there are people out there with alarm clocks going off and they are not getting up. I know it is God paying my bills becasue I am always broke. I know it is God getting me to school every day becasue many people get in an car accedent everyday. Just because there is an easy answer doesn't mean that God isn't helping me. I have lived this long becasue I have something to do.
My life isn't sugar coated. I am raking up debt, my sister doesn't have a job and the rent is coming up. I realize that I have too much pride for my own good. I also have a lot other problem I will not discuss with the rest of the world. Still you know what I think my life is great. I have Joy. I am happy and I am working on those problem I need to work on with the help of God.
I don't think that everyone that kills people should be put to death. Neither does god. He is watching you. He is giving you chance after chance after chance. You can say no so many times before you either except of die. He isn't going to send you to hell with out the chance to accept him. Now about those people in the middle of no where they have a chance to accept him also. Since God is a God I would think he could communicate with a group of people who don't have contact with the world around them.
Now about that number you cooked up. How can anyone possible know how many people died before they accepted God. Google isn't going to give you the population of the world. You can't even give an estimate of who is getting into hell and who isn't.
Oh almost forgot. I don't belive that apes and humans came from the same branch. I do believe that over time there are mutations in animals therefore they evolve. I can believe in one part and not in another. They may be right about some speices of animals but they are wrong about humans.
Well that is my rant. I hope and Pray that you are truly understanding this. That is right Neroshine like it or not I am most definitely praying for you. You may think that there is no God but I am telling you right now I am here for you.
All right give me your best shot and I am pretty sure that you will do that. Have a great and blessed day. ;D
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Post by Enuffalready on Feb 23, 2005 5:47:39 GMT -5
Now about those people in the middle of no where they have a chance to accept him also. Since God is a God I would think he could communicate with a group of people who don't have contact with the world around them. Thats funny, how? Lets take for example all the native americans that up until around 1500AD had never heard of Jesus or the christian religion, when the white man began settling the Americas. And to top it off along with thier religion they brought disease and death, thats besides the point but I'll bet it didn't help convince them any. Now the obvious argument here is that god wanted the europeans to bring them awarness of god, but what about the 1500 years prior that they were left in the dark? Oh almost forgot. I don't belive that apes and humans came from the same branch. I do believe that over time there are mutations in animals therefore they evolve. I can believe in one part and not in another. They may be right about some speices of animals but they are wrong about humans. Where's your evidence. The theory of humans coming from apes can at least be backed up.
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Post by necroshine on Feb 23, 2005 6:55:12 GMT -5
Hello guerrillasaint, I’ve been fine. Like everyone else trying to stay warm. And I little bit healthy I think.
Not really trying to. as in the same way that Christians try to convert people to god. Personally I could not care if you leave god behind. But (isn’t there always a but) I think you are questioning it or you would not be here acting the way you are. Most people come here to try to shove god on us. So far you have not told me that I’m going to burn forever.
That is the best scenario I can come up with, along the lines that I make a world and know what is going to happen. If you have a better one please explain it to me. I would love to hear it. I know you think we have choices. We do as long as there is no god. But if you can not go against what god knows how do you have a choice, if you don’t have the ability to go against what god knows?
Lol that is funny. The same way that people that pray to allaha think that jesus is a decoy.
About that killing thing being put to death all I was saying is that you can not have one rule that holds true for everyone. Not even when god says that if you don’t believe in me you will go to hell. he don’t take into account why I think the way I do. he doesn’t care. Its just if I believe in him or not. To me that is not just. If he doesn’t care then I know I don’t care.
Google will give you an estimate of the world population and tell you how many belong to which religion. its called a survey. Its not to be taken as an absolute number but it is close. You can take that number and see how many people will go to hell. if the only way to stay out of hell is to believe in jesus not god. Then all you have to do is look at how many Christians are in the world which is about 1/3 and the rest go to hell. its not that hard of a concept. All you have to do is look. Check out the official census that the worlds government has put together.
I’m glad I’m on your mind. But if you can not change gods mind about what he is going to do then why pray to him? Are you trying to change gods mind?
Am I talking to god? God are you posting on an atheists board? god if you are real all I would ask you is to leave me alone. I have not done anything against you but you curse me and you are going to send me to hell for not believing in you.
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Post by guerrillasaint on Feb 26, 2005 4:22:03 GMT -5
Neroshine you must be in a cold place huh. I never really gets past thirty where I am at. Still it has been nasty for a while. I hate the cold but anyway I am glad to see that you are well. Neroshine I would never ever tell you that you were going to hell. I think that is stupid. I don't know what is going to happen to you. If someone talked to me like that my brain would cut off and I wouldn't be able to hear a thing they said. To me that is disrespectful. I hate when people do that. I don't doubt that some muslims believe that Jesus is just there to trip people up. I also know they think he was just a good man that is it. All christians are not going to heaven. I wouldn't doubt that a lot of people who say they are christians go to hell. Christianity is just a religon. My main thing is I believe in Jesus. I could go to a methodist church Baptist non denomiational it just has to be teaching to word. You can tell when a church is stuck in tradition/religon and when people are actually living the word. I pray to god about for understanding. I pray that he makes me a better person and helps me through situations, I pray so I can know him better why he does things. I don't believe that God has a problem with anyone questing his laws and why he does things. Just to let you know God isn't going to leave you alone. All those people who push there beliefes on you are him try to get your attention. He is answering your question you can either hear he answer or not. He doesn't want you to go to hell. Promise. I haven't forgotten about you Enuffalready there were people who knew about him. There were tribs that believed in on god. Now I don't know which tribes there were but I remember when I was in junior high and I was reading this book about an american indian tribe. They believe in one god and I thought you know what there god could have easily been my god. I am not an historian or an anthroplogist but everyone has a chance. You probable don't believe it. You don't have to. That is what I believe. Well I hope the both of you have a great day or had a great day. Peace
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Post by necroshine on Feb 26, 2005 9:49:05 GMT -5
guerrilla saint Did you look up the population thing? I hope so. It might open your eyes to what I am saying to you. You say that not all Christians will go to heaven. How can this be? All it takes is to believe in god. If you can believe in jesus and not get into heaven then the bible lies to us again. I don’t see where you are coming from with that. Please explain what you mean. Lets try something. Will you humor me for a minute. The bible say this.
I know you have to have a friend that is also a Christian the two of you should be able to get god to erase this web page from off the internet. With everything that god can do I would think that can wipe out a hard drive. I’m sure dos isn’t that hard for him to understand. If you and a friend agree that ask god for this then lets see this. God is giving you the ok to ask him for something. I know I am being stupid but you have to admit that if you did ask him for this he should do it. But you know as well as I do that it will not happen. And that goes against what god is telling you in the bible. Why should I believe in a book that is lying to me?
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Post by necroshine on Feb 26, 2005 9:51:56 GMT -5
Oh I have an unrelated question. Don’t worry I am asking this of a lot of people right now. Do you like shrimp or crab? Just curious. ;D
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Post by Superhappyjen on Feb 26, 2005 11:05:42 GMT -5
Mmmmmm crab.
I have a question. What's the rational for God creating decoys? Is he trying to trick us into not believing in him?
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Post by ToxicMoon on Feb 26, 2005 11:57:52 GMT -5
I like both. I like all kinds of seafood. Fish is my cow!
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Post by guerrillasaint on Feb 27, 2005 18:04:54 GMT -5
I love Shrimp ;D
You know I would have to want to shut this thing down. Since I don't it won't work. It also isn't in God's will. I don't test God either and there is a difference in wondering why God does something and testing if God does something. But I will do this for you . I put in a pray request for you more than just me will be praying for you now. So we will see. I don't except things happen right now. It may take awhile still I believe it will happen.
People created to decoy and that other being, that you guys don't believe exist, the Devil. God allows people to create their own Gods. Weither the God is a car or another god. To some people they are god.
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Post by Enuffalready on Feb 28, 2005 3:41:19 GMT -5
. I haven't forgotten about you Enuffalready there were people who knew about him. There were tribs that believed in on god. Now I don't know which tribes there were but I remember when I was in junior high and I was reading this book about an american indian tribe. They believe in one god and I thought you know what there god could have easily been my god. I am not an historian or an anthroplogist but everyone has a chance. You probable don't believe it. You don't have to. That is what I believe. Yes, there were Native Americans who believed in one god. They called him the great spirit, but as far as I know it was not a christian god and was worshipped in more of a deist way. You're right I dont believe you, saying that just because they believed in one god it "could" have easily been yours, its just morphing someone else's beliefs to fit your own. That would be like saying any monotheist could be worshipping your god.
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Post by necroshine on Feb 28, 2005 6:29:10 GMT -5
Guerrillasaint, I’ll admit I was being silly. I will give you another example. Ok. Something that isn’t testing god from you directly. I will take the burden off your shoulders. There are many people praying for the health of the pope. But we all know he is going to die. God is not going to make him well. sure he may bounce back for a day or two but he will die and god will not cure him. But I’m sure you see my hollow point.
I also must confess. I asked that question to see if your going to hell or not. I’m afraid that you and I will be seeing each other after this life in a warmer place. A LOT warmer place. Leviticus 11:10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you 11:11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination. 11:12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.
God does not want you to eat shrimp. It is an abomination to god. Just like two gay men is an abomination to god. Unless there are degrees of abomination? I didn’t know, if you knew, it was one of the worse kind of sins. But not knowing isn’t an excuse is it?
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Post by Hilly on Feb 28, 2005 9:16:40 GMT -5
There are many people praying for the health of the pope. But we all know he is going to die. God is not going to make him well. sure he may bounce back for a day or two but he will die and god will not cure him. I think god just likes to screw with the Pope. After all he did allow that guy to shoot him, but god gave the shooter poor aim. God also gave the Pope parkinson's disease and even now is making the Pope's eventual demise a slow and agonizing one, what with the flu and a tracheotomy that took the Popes voice away, so he would'nt be able to give Mass. I think the Catholic faithful should be praying to god to leave the poor Pope alone.
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Post by Enuffalready on Feb 28, 2005 9:47:34 GMT -5
, what with the flu and a tracheotomy that took the Popes voice away, so he would'nt be able to give Mass. I think the Catholic faithful should be praying to god to leave the poor Pope alone. I gotta say that taking the pope's voice away may be one of god's true miracles. At least without a voice he cant condemn everything progressive and forward thinking to come out of the world.
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Post by Hilly on Feb 28, 2005 10:00:05 GMT -5
I gotta say that taking the pope's voice away may be one of god's true miracles. At least without a voice he cant condemn everything progressive and forward thinking to come out of the world. Amen to that brother, amen.
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