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Post by Dragon*of*Heaven on Apr 24, 2005 22:55:44 GMT -5
The christan churches teach that you can only be free when you die because then you will have eternal life. Now besides sounding like a cult, in what other ways dose this not make sence. Not only have there been murderers who have actualy said this as being their reason for killing. Such things as "I killed her to relive her from this life she hated so much". But also if you die and there is eternal life ok but if not you are screwed. So how can pouring your life into a question you cant answer be brilliant or much less slightly intelegent. Dose any one else have a slight problem with this idea?
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Post by solidsquid on Apr 25, 2005 10:02:30 GMT -5
Faith, it all surrounds faith. To believe without verification.
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twobirds
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Religion is a con.
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Post by twobirds on Apr 29, 2005 16:41:37 GMT -5
Thats called power. No one knows if there is life afterwards. And so what if there is, I don't have to follow anyone path to get there. Go to church,give money go to heaven.  Conrad |
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Post by Dragon*of*Heaven on Apr 29, 2005 18:26:48 GMT -5
Twobirds can you please explain your point i dont understand what you mean. What is power?
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thehack
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Post by thehack on May 9, 2005 17:51:50 GMT -5
Twobirds can you please explain your point i dont understand what you mean. What is power? This whole concept of life after death is in a way, unproveable paradox. Since there's no way to prove one way or another, if there's life after death or not, churches and religions have taken this inherent paradox and use it to control the masses in the early part of western civilization. Use the inherent desire for all of us to live forever, control that desire and turn it into fear of eternal damnation, and in that grows power for the church that promises YOU eternal life and salvation through dedication to an entity that they can't prove exist, and an afterlife that, technically, can not be disproven. I find the church and religion prey on this inherent fear of death, and supposedly release its believers of that fear...Yet the people that I see most afraid to die, are religious folks. They cling on a none-existent glimmer of hope, like in the case of Terri Schiavo, and trys to prolong her pointless life. If they believe in a life after death, why the fear of letting this life go? |
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Post by william on May 10, 2005 4:24:01 GMT -5
The christan churches teach that you can only be free when you die because then you will have eternal life. Now besides sounding like a cult, in what other ways dose this not make sence. Not only have there been murderers who have actualy said this as being their reason for killing. Such things as "I killed her to relive her from this life she hated so much". But also if you die and there is eternal life ok but if not you are screwed. So how can pouring your life into a question you cant answer be brilliant or much less slightly intelegent. Dose any one else have a slight problem with this idea? I dont think its really a good tact to try to understand a group by including the actions of the most fringe elements. the easiest group to explain would be those like myself. I had little to lose by seeking Gods help to get clean And sobber, I looked at the program and its track record of helping people like me and determined it was worth trying, so I tried it and it transformed my life from absolute missery and hoplesness to happy and healthy. you can call my choice irational if you want ,but 4 years ago I had lost most everthing and was homeless now i own my first home. to me it seems quite rational to stick with what works. |
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Post by william on May 10, 2005 4:29:11 GMT -5
This whole concept of life after death is in a way, unproveable paradox. Since there's no way to prove one way or another, if there's life after death or not, churches and religions have taken this inherent paradox and use it to control the masses in the early part of western civilization. Use the inherent desire for all of us to live forever, control that desire and turn it into fear of eternal damnation, and in that grows power for the church that promises YOU eternal life and salvation through dedication to an entity that they can't prove exist, and an afterlife that, technically, can not be disproven. I find the church and religion prey on this inherent fear of death, and supposedly release its believers of that fear...Yet the people that I see most afraid to die, are religious folks. They cling on a none-existent glimmer of hope, like in the case of Terri Schiavo, and trys to prolong her pointless life. If they believe in a life after death, why the fear of letting this life go? actions to preserve life in the shivo case was more about respecting the sanctity of life( the it should not be ended by mans choosing) as well as the in humane way in which they wanted to kill her, not the fear of death |
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Post by william on May 10, 2005 4:30:43 GMT -5
The christan churches teach that you can only be free when you die because then you will have eternal life. Now besides sounding like a cult, in what other ways dose this not make sence. Not only have there been murderers who have actualy said this as being their reason for killing. Such things as "I killed her to relive her from this life she hated so much". But also if you die and there is eternal life ok but if not you are screwed. So how can pouring your life into a question you cant answer be brilliant or much less slightly intelegent. Dose any one else have a slight problem with this idea? Im not understanding where the part about "only being free when you die" comes from. |
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thehack
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Post by thehack on May 10, 2005 12:23:41 GMT -5
actions to preserve life in the shivo case was more about respecting the sanctity of life( the it should not be ended by mans choosing) as well as the in humane way in which they wanted to kill her, not the fear of death Interestingly enough, the perspective that perhaps her sanctity of life was violated when she was put on the feeding machines. Perhaps it was god's will to take her when she had the heart attack 15 years ago, but it was purely man's choosing and man's intervention that kept her away from god. So from THAT perspective, it's not about the sanctity of life. To live out the way she "lives" for the remainder of her unnatural life, is cruel. I think, those religious right who wanted her kept alive artificially, are missing the true sanctity of life and in fact, defying god's will. It is ironic that it took a conservative REPUBLICAN Federal judge to put his foot down and uphold his conscience to put an end to this travesty desguised as "right to life". Sorry for the thread hijack. |
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