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Post by necroshine on Sept 4, 2005 16:17:00 GMT -5
lol go get'em
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The Reservoir Dog
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I'm sick of following my dreams, I'm just gonna ask where they're goin' and meet up with em' later.
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Post by The Reservoir Dog on Sept 4, 2005 20:53:44 GMT -5
...you would have to first be a psychologist... *raises hand*...only four more years to go. Same here squid
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Post by solidsquid on Sept 4, 2005 23:16:22 GMT -5
*raises hand*...only four more years to go. Same here squid Cool which sub-discipline?
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Post by guerrillasaint on Sept 7, 2005 11:58:38 GMT -5
( I hope all of you that are studying to be psychologist good luck)
Well you can keep on calming that I am like Hitler because of that book you have read and the few words that I have posted on this website but you are not an authority on me or Hitler.
I am not here to make you feel guilty. You can think what you want.(that is cool) I may preach too much but in the word of Kanye West I here to testify and touch the sky
Peace and Good day. ;D
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The Reservoir Dog
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I'm sick of following my dreams, I'm just gonna ask where they're goin' and meet up with em' later.
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Post by The Reservoir Dog on Sept 7, 2005 12:29:38 GMT -5
I am looking into sports psychology right now but I am becoming more interested in bio-psych. I have been looking at the bio aspect of it for about a year now. At the moment i am going where ever the wind may blow. What about you?
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Post by vertigo on Sept 7, 2005 16:12:31 GMT -5
It isn't a touch on what Christians claim because of a book they have read...
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Post by necroshine on Sept 7, 2005 16:38:06 GMT -5
You are half correct. We don’t know much about you. But Hitler, now that is another story. More books have been written about him than it has about you.
Then why are you here? To turn an ex-christian back to Christ? You could spend your time in a better way. like trying to turn lead to gold.
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Post by solidsquid on Sept 8, 2005 12:34:59 GMT -5
I am looking into sports psychology right now but I am becoming more interested in bio-psych. I have been looking at the bio aspect of it for about a year now. At the moment i am going where ever the wind may blow. What about you? Biopsych myself...I'm looking right now for a good neuroscience doctorate program in Texas...probably going to apply to UT, Baylor and Rice.
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Post by guerrillasaint on Sept 10, 2005 11:32:45 GMT -5
Well Necro, God has led me to do this. Also, you guys help me work out some things and flex my debating skill.
I understand that there are a lot of books on Hitler, but if you haven't read a lot of them, or if you are not a historian and spent a substantial amount of your career on studying Hitler then you would relying on the small amount of knowledge for you comparison of the Christian faith and what Hitler wrote
Have a good day
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The Reservoir Dog
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Post by The Reservoir Dog on Sept 10, 2005 14:14:26 GMT -5
I have read Mein Kampf before because my history professor required it. The ideas expressed in Hitlers AUTOBIOGRAPHY, as in about what he believes and about his life that shaped his views, are virtually the same as the christian views. Anyone who has read both of these books knows this and can not refute it. Hitler uses quotes for the bible in Mein Kampf to help emphasis his points. The only big difference between Mein Kampf and the bible is that parts of Mein Kampf that talk about Hitlers life actually happened.
Have a nice day.
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Post by vertigo on Sept 10, 2005 15:26:45 GMT -5
First of all, I am not about to enter a debate. That would just be a waste of time. I will say again that I don't trust what you think. Your thinking is perverse. What I will say, and I don't want a response from you on it because I am just saying it for the benefit of atheists who might read this, is that however small my knowledge is it trumps any theistic faith.
I will only allow a critique of my knowledge from someone who understands what knowledge is. You who 'know' God is out to help you are no such person.
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bare
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Post by bare on Mar 3, 2006 11:27:40 GMT -5
bitterness and contempt are base traits! close mindedness is a defect of ALL! theists and atheists
vertigo said "On identifying such hard-headed proponents, what is the correct response? Certainly it is not to engage them in an argument, or even to attempt rational discussion. The correct response is to effect your own view with no concern for their consent. They are hostile, and should be treated as such."
im sure Hitler thought the same thing
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Post by vertigo on Mar 3, 2006 14:57:56 GMT -5
Bare, comparing me to Hitler probably isn't the best way to conduct a useful argument.
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Post by bare on Mar 3, 2006 17:25:41 GMT -5
was not comparing you to hitler vertigo
was comparing the thought process to Hitlers i.e. hate the haters
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Post by porphyry6734 on Mar 4, 2006 22:15:03 GMT -5
Vertigo, when you say you're so tired of presenting rational arguments to theists I believe you because I haven't seen you present any lately. The original question asked was presuppositional. This question was asked presumably by an atheist as a reductio ad absurdum argument that if God has divine foreknowledge of a person's sin, why must he ask forgiveness? This supposes that foreknowledge of events in the future forces those events to occur. St. Augustine asks if our free will is opposed to God's foreknowledge because it is foreknowledge or because it is God's foreknowledge. The difference is inconsequential between the two. If you have foreknowledge of someone's sin, they will commit the sin because otherwise it was not foreknowledge as presupposed. But foreknowledge is dependent on the act occuring in reality, independent of a mind that knows it. God's foreknowledge is dependent on the things He knows and does not oppose human free will. God's foreknowledge of your sin does not force you to sin. Furthermore, Boethius, during the reign of Theoderic (king of the Ostrogoths) said that God does not have 'foreknowledge' but just knowledge. Since God is eternal, and experiences no future or past, only the present, it would be illogical to suggest God having any sort of 'foreknowledge.' This was the answer, yet you Vertigo said that you're so tired of dealing with theists. We argue from presuppositionalism, we suppose God exists from the start. This was not the place to NOT suppose God exists, for the question was 'if God exists, He has foreknowledge of my sins so why should I have to ask foregivness?' This was dealt with by the Medieval philosophers and finished as a matter of debate yet atheists keep bringing it up. I'm a philosophy major who sees that these blogs and message boards are an endless bore of the same old arguments that are refuted before they were thought by you and an occasional rant by people like you. And Vertigo, you are right in understanding Christian objection to your comparison of Hitler and Christianity. If you yourself were serious about knowing the views of Hitler, you'd understand that he was no Christian and very much opposed to the Church. Rant all you want to and bring up all the examples of religious wars, I know them better than you, (no one who knows them would fall under these misconceptions of history) Christianity was founded by Christ who said 'love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.' I bet you'll change the subject by arguing that Jesus didn't exist or that the Bible is not historically accurate, but these are the beliefs of people who enjoy the title of Christ's deciples. Those who do not practice this are not Christians are they Vertigo? Your examples of religion being dangerous does not apply to Christianity as a doctrine. 'LOVE YOUR ENEMIES AND PRAY FOR THOSE WHO PERSECUTE YOU.' Hopefully this speaks for itself, if you cannot understand that this refutes your argument that religion is not harmless, you yourself have your foot in your mouth and just argue based on what you want. People like you defend YOUR views, not the truth. You don't know the truth. I find it horribly offensive you go on thinking that God doesn't exist, and I will pray for you.
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