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Post by necroshine on Dec 18, 2005 12:54:45 GMT -5
i have heard many people say that its easier to ask for forgiveness than it is for permission. the bible tells you that god will forgive 7 times 7000. that is god giving you permission to do what you want. besides you are only human and everyone sins. isn't that correct? isn't that how you believe? that is you, giving yourself permission to do what you want. just like it is for an atheist to think no one is going to judge them. god will forgive you correct? so we can stop playing this little game. everyone thinks they live a better life than the next. if you want to live a good life you will. it doesn't matter if you think a god is real or not. that shouldn't matter or come into question if you want to live a good life, you will.
does it take the threat of eternal torment to keep you in line? if you thought there was no god, would you start killing people? i hope you have more brains than that.
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Post by solidsquid on Dec 18, 2005 14:30:38 GMT -5
Necroshine, True Christians believe that if a professing believer steals beligerently, presuming on God's forgiveness, that man is really not a Christian. Despite the failures of true believers, they are not motivated that way. No True Scotsman Fallacy.
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Post by Pilgrim on Dec 22, 2005 23:22:43 GMT -5
"does it take the threat of eternal torment to keep you in line? if you thought there was no god, would you start killing people? i hope you have more brains than that."
No, it is actually a desire to please God that gives me impetus to do right. Having been delivered, I don't live under the threat of eternal torment. Most people do the right thing not because it is right, but because under most conditions it is easier to do the right thing.
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The Reservoir Dog
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Post by The Reservoir Dog on Dec 23, 2005 0:33:48 GMT -5
Actually it is harder to do the right thing. If you see someone who has fallen it is easier to walk around them not to help them up, and religion has nothing to do with being a good person so don't flatter yourself. You pester people to try to force them to see things your way without compromise, now that isn't very christian is it? I think not.
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Post by vertigo on Dec 23, 2005 8:10:24 GMT -5
The old me would proceed to argue this. I won't, however. I find you unworthy of pity; pity is for the undeserving.
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Post by Pilgrim on Dec 23, 2005 12:41:07 GMT -5
The old me would proceed to argue this. I won't, however. I find you unworthy of pity; pity is for the undeserving. "I find you unworthy". Are you a judge. The truth is that all are unworthy!
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Post by Pilgrim on Dec 23, 2005 12:57:24 GMT -5
"Before your mother told you about God did you think it was ok to take some one Else's things. Would you have killed some one for doing some thing you did not like. Did you come up to your parents and knife them for not getting you what you wanted at Christmas. I think not. You see this is because you have something called a conscience no matter how twisted you become you will have it. It doesn't take God to have such a thing. You had it before. If you had been made into a Shintoist, a Buddhist, Jane, or a Taoist you would still have it. If you are an atheist your sense of right and wrong dose not diminish. Also the complicated matters of why it is wrong can just as easily be taught by your parents. For those who don't know right and wrong stealing and killing are wrong! For those people we have the term Insane.[/quote]"
Did your mother teach you how to lie, steal and fight? Probably not, so you can't really take credit for a good conscience. Regardless of religion, everyone's conscience is informed of right and wrong. Some societies have taught their people that stealing is not wrong but getting caught is. As an atheist, you still have an idea of what is right and wrong.
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The Reservoir Dog
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Post by The Reservoir Dog on Dec 23, 2005 19:49:32 GMT -5
OK how about this different religions have a different set of rules about right and wrong so what makes your religion's set of rules right and others wrong? I also ask this with the knowledge that all religions' have the same amount of proof of them being right (none).
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Post by Dragon*of*Heaven on Jan 20, 2006 19:42:37 GMT -5
To answer the original question though this is false according to christian belive. The death of Jesus on the cross was to forgive the sins of those that came before. That way all the good who were in hell went to heaven.
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Post by Unbeliever on May 24, 2006 20:26:26 GMT -5
Does this make sense to anyone else? If Jesus died so all of our sins could be forgiven and we woudn't have to do individual sacrifices and all that good stuff, and Christains try not to sin.Then in turn isn't that kind of making Jesus' death for nothing. This made sense to me, but then again maybe I'm crazy. I think Martin Luther said something very much like that!
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Post by guerrillasaint on Jun 1, 2006 22:14:44 GMT -5
what source are you getting this from?
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Post by Amy on Jun 2, 2006 13:36:17 GMT -5
Does this make sense to anyone else? If Jesus died so all of our sins could be forgiven and we woudn't have to do individual sacrifices and all that good stuff, and Christains try not to sin.Then in turn isn't that kind of making Jesus' death for nothing. This made sense to me, but then again maybe I'm crazy. In all honesty, this is one of the many reasons why I do not believe there is a god. There is absolutely no logic in the whole Jesus dying on the cross thing for our sins. Sure, they crucified Jesus, but he didn't allow himself to be crucified for our sins... In fact, did scientists decide if Jesus even existed? They did, right? Atheists believe that they are not accountable to anyone but themselves in matters of faith and practice. If an atheist knows that he can steal without getting caught, then his conscience can easily grant permission because his god will not hold him accountable. "The attitude and feeling of one who believes in a transcendent controlling power or powers" defines the atheist, therefore making him a religious person. Whoa, buddy! In matters of faith - true - atheists are only accountable to themselves. But practice!? C'mon. Just because atheists don't believe there is a god, we do know the difference between what is right and wrong. Why would atheists steal in the first place? Because they don't think a god will strike them down?? You are not a very logical person, are you?? Just like theists and every other human being on earth, atheists must also follow the laws of their country. And 2nd thing, how can a transcendent controlling power define an atheist? What?? All religion is bad. All. I completely agree! " Most people do the right thing not because it is right, but because under most conditions it is easier to do the right thing. What?? Are you crazy?? You know how much easier it would be to do the wrong thing? I mean, if I stole, I wouldn't have to work, and I could have whatever I wanted. Luckily, I know that stealing is for worthless people. I work hard for what I want. And also, I don't want my ass thrown in jail, thank you very much.
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