I lived so God Must love me right?

[Dragon*of*Heaven]

I lived so there must be a God and he must love me dearly.

This is a fallacy that grips the minds of a shocking amount of individuals. To an outside observer the idea that one person survives out X number of other people, and then proclaims that he was saved by God, is inherently ludicrous. This stigma must be looked upon as vicious for it must be so to stand by the bereaved and proclaim that you alone are beloved by an all beautiful and wonderful being. The idea that a person survives a cataclysm based upon his being loved by an all loving God really does nothing more than proclaim the contempt that espouser of the idea has for his fellow men. I say this because it does in fact show contempt. For instance two men are sharing a hospital room and have from a medical perspective, the same conditions with the same past history. Both go in for surgery and only one of the men survives. This man then claims that it was by the grace of God that he survives. The rational mind would have a problem with this because he is then stating that it was the grace of god that killed his fellow man. It seems to be much the way of the Christian to attribute the good things in life to an almighty being but then when fate is not in favor curse him or attribute it to a fluke.

[guerrillasaint]

When I read the title of this post I thought you meant something else. God Does love you because you exist. He loves your if you live or die. So no matter what happens or what you believe you are loved by God. That is what grace is. It doesn't matter what you do or don't do God loves your and gave his life for you.

So in your story the man that survived his illness was spared by grace. The man that died was put out of his misery and if he was a believer he now is gifted with a new body and gets to live eternal life with God.

Peace

[Dragon*of*Heaven]

I will explain it again Guerillasaint because it seems that you still don't understand even the most basic of basic about what love is. So for starters love is not just a you believe in me and I will help you emotion. Love you can divide a couple ways one of those ways is that of conditional and non conditional. Conditional love is what people who are only playing at love do. It is I will love you/ i love you.....If. There will always be an if statement when concerning love that is Conditional. An all loving God who is perfection in its most perfect form would not or could not practice conditional love. In fact i believe (correct me if I am indeed wrong) that it states that Gods love is unconditional. That means that God loves you no matter what. I could walk up to God spit in his face tell him that he is worse than filth that eats filth and he should still love me. Now then how may I ask you if God does indeed love unconditionally is there a possibility of Hell. That is to say (using the baptist version) a place of fire brimstone and torment, or (using the Catholic version) a place where Gods presence is not felt so that you will feel his absence even after you understand the glory of his presence. How can this idea be viable. Man going to hell in the catholic version is also a choice that man must choose. To this I must still question because does a dad let his son go off a cliff because the son chose it. No the dad should stop him even if the child knows every thing he is doing. The same thing should be said for a God. If man were to choose hell, then I can guarantee you that God would be down in that pit lickety split trying for eternity to get him out of there. Same with Lucifer or Satan. This is because Love never gives up.

[guerrillasaint]

Do you want to do what you want, or do you want God to make you believe?

You said that God doesn't contradict himself right. So since he has given you free will that stops him from making you believe. Still he gives you an out. God sends people to tell you about him. He allows you to live your life the way you want but before you die he will give you a chance to accept him. Even through this he never stops loving you. He gives you things and allows happiness to happen in your life. He doesn't give his salvation to certain people. No if you want you can have it.

The dad in your story can't control the mind of his son and he can strap his boy down but that still may not stop the son from doing what he wants. That doesn’t make the ravine go away. So the son will have to strapped down for the rest of his life. In that time the father maybe able to change his son’s mind. Still what if the son didn’t, what if he spent the rest of his life wanting to jump? Then he lies to the dad and says he is ok then jumps anyway? So God knows when the heart can’t be saved no matter what. He allows you still to have chances but he knows you will never choose him.

This life we are living is about a relationship with God. What kind of real relationship would force someone to love them? It won’t be real. He wants you to truly want him none of this fake stuff.