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Post by pieisgood on Oct 3, 2004 10:42:55 GMT -5
How many of you watched the first debate? It was interesting. Bush ended up running out of lines, and often would stare at the camera for awhile before responding. Kerry responded quickly, but dodged the question a few times. A few of the key results:
(out of a poll taken from 200 undecideds directly after the debate...) -about 70% of the women said they had a more favorable view of Kerry after the debate.
-about 44% said kerry won the debate, 18% said Bush won, and 38% said it was a draw.
-there was only 1 point of the debate where the viewers collectively had a negative position on Kerry. It lasted for under 10 seconds.
Basically, Kerry trounced Bush. Discuss the results, the debate, whatever.
-pie
P.S.-- sorry to everybody I've been inactive for awhile. School is back in full gear, and my weekends are pretty busy too. It's tough for me to get on anytime, but I'll get on when I can.
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Post by slavsoul on Oct 4, 2004 0:38:45 GMT -5
Thank you for the analysis. Kerry certainly looked presidential, and Bush was lost without his presidential seal to grant him much-needed authority. Nor was he surrounded by his cocoon of supporters and cheerleaders. So he looked like a small frog, far from the small pond which makes him look so big. It was mano a mano, and I give Kerry the laurels. Although, in the end, I agree with some of the people of Iraq who, when asked by reporters which candidate they preferred, replied that they are both the same to them, since they are too worried about whether they will survive another day.
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Post by Superhappyjen on Oct 4, 2004 10:09:27 GMT -5
If I lived in the states I would vote Kerry, but I honestly don't think americans have a really good choice.
If the american people vote in Bush then they deserve the subsequent disintegration of the american empire.
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Post by Theodore Doxford on Oct 4, 2004 13:58:49 GMT -5
If I lived in the states I would vote Kerry, but I honestly don't think americans have a really good choice. If the american people vote in Bush then they deserve the subsequent disintegration of the american empire. What makes you think that the USA's power will disappear... In my opinion we are only at the beggining of the American empire.... and if Iran continue the drive for nuclear weapons then the p00p will hit the fan.... I am alredy stocking up on food ,water etc ;D ;D
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Post by droskey on Oct 4, 2004 15:38:32 GMT -5
I taped the debate, but haven't watched it yet. I intend to do so in the next day or two.
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Post by vertigo on Oct 4, 2004 15:49:51 GMT -5
Whereas the truth is that if they turn liberal the empire will disintegrate. Europe is becomming as one now. A liberal America would devolve into the same pit of mediocrity.
I hope America doesn't go down that road. I hope America turns to libertarianism instead, without the hyped 'for the good of society' bullshit.
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Post by droskey on Oct 5, 2004 13:14:25 GMT -5
pieisgood I finally watched the 1st debate last night. I generally agree with this assessment by pie. Bush did seem to run out of things to say early one. So after awhile he kept on saying the same things over and over. He was also more on the defensive than Kerry was. This surprised me a little. I do think that Kerry dodged a few questions. In particular, his sort of mushy stance on Iraq caused him some problems I think. I get the impression that he is more of a politician than Bush. That is, Bush tends to have a strong position/tunnel vision (depending on whether you support Bush or not), but Kerry does kind of talk around some points. Specifically why he supported going into Iraq and then changed his position later. Not that changing position is bad, it's just that Kerry hasn't seemed to fully rest on a position until recently. And he has difficulty communicating the nuances of his position. In the end, I think that Kerry needs to start coming across as having "made up his mind". If he can do that, he stands a chance of winning the election, because you can tell that he is a faster thinker than Bush and he seems to be more knowledgable in general. He just has to leave the politician reputation behind.
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Post by Maverick on Oct 5, 2004 15:39:55 GMT -5
For those of you who didn't tape it but still want to see that debate, it is available at www.cspan.org. The link to the video is still available on the front page. Look under "Video/Audio" to find the link. I haven't watched the entire debate yet. But, judging from the beginning of the debate, it seems that Kerry was better prepared.
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Post by AuntieSocial on Oct 7, 2004 6:48:09 GMT -5
I agree that Kerry was much more prepared for the debate than Bush. Bush handed Kerry the upper-hand by avoiding questions in the beginning. Very early in the debate, Bush was providing non-answers, which allowed Kerry to respond on the non-answer, instead of the question that was actually posed.
At one point, Jim Lehr asked Kerry a two-minute question specifically on Bush's lies.
Kudos to Kerry! He was much more articulate, calm and he definately looked more 'presidential'.
The thing that impressed me the most was at the end when he said "look into my eyes". In Bush's closing, he didn't look at the camera, instead he appeared to be looking for quarters on the floor. He is so lost without Cheney whispering in his ears.
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Post by Hilly on Oct 9, 2004 7:39:20 GMT -5
In last nights debate Kerry mentioned atheists. Heres the quote.
Question from audience; Senator Kerry, suppose you are speaking with a voter who believed abortion is murder and the voter asked for reassurance that his or her tax dollars would not go to support abortion, what would you say to that person?
KERRY: I would say to that person exactly what I will say to you right now.
First of all, I cannot tell you how deeply I respect the belief about life and when it begins. I'm a Catholic, raised a Catholic. I was an altar boy. Religion has been a huge part of my life. It helped lead me through a war, leads me today.
But I can't take what is an article of faith for me and legislate it for someone who doesn't share that article of faith, whether they be agnostic, atheist, Jew, Protestant, whatever. I can't do that.
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Post by droskey on Oct 10, 2004 16:38:49 GMT -5
And I agree whole heartedly with Kerry. Unfortunately, I felt that Kerry did a less than adequate job in this debate. He simply refused to answer some questions and talked around them instead. Bush did the same.
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Post by pieisgood on Oct 10, 2004 18:33:07 GMT -5
I agree, Kerry didn't perform as well this debate. But, from what I hear, the pools declared Kerry a slight winner. Bush seemed to be more agressive this time, and that worked for him. He doesn't do well under a spotlight.
The current election polls are showing Kerry as a favorite, about 46-45 percent.
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Post by BaalShemRa on Oct 10, 2004 18:36:55 GMT -5
"The current election polls are showing Kerry as a favorite, about 46-45 percent. "
What about the electoral college? That's what matters. I've seen several contradictory assessments of that.
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Post by droskey on Oct 10, 2004 23:19:29 GMT -5
The other thing to remember is that these polls usually have a margine of error around 5%. So if Kerry is at 46% and bush is at 45% they are in a statistical tie.
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Post by pieisgood on Oct 11, 2004 22:28:57 GMT -5
yeah, it's going to be close. That was mainly a statement of how close it's going to be, not how Kerry's got it made.
Edit: I noticed that one of ye olde banner ads is asking for feedback on the debate.
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