twobirds
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Post by twobirds on Jul 10, 2005 15:43:51 GMT -5
If you want us to believe something we can't disprove, you still need to prove it. PROOF!?! They aint got no stinking "PROOF"!
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b33
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Post by b33 on Jul 10, 2005 16:24:19 GMT -5
THIS IS NO RIDDLE, The third eye is being able to belive and gain a relationship with GOD, and I belive if you dis-belive in GOD you are seeing the other side and not the true picture of the illiusion and you need to look more and KNOW THAT ITS THERE, no matter how long it takes for you to see the other side. And when i say illusion im relating that to LIFE. Only reason i refer to it as an illusion is beacuse its all calculated in your brain, and smell, tast, sound, touch, everything is just a tool you have to go though life, and live it how ever it is you live. THIS IS HOW I LOOK AT EVERYTHING IVE LEARNED FROM THE BIBLE, The 3rd eye when i refer to that, is your inner self, everything inside ur mind and how you are, and if you dont belive in GOD, I know that you do not have your inner self together and are not seeing what it is you where ment to see, all Im saying is BELIVE, and HAVE FAITH, you must beacuse life was CREATED BY GOD, everything you see, You can not turely understand the 3rd eye unless you understand GOD, and belive in GOD, hes real and he can help you, my whole point to this post is to say GOD can answer prayers, if the prayer is TRUE at heart, and not just thought with the lusting eyes, and all the wrong things in life. So it is the 3rd eye that can bring you closer to GOD, for it says in the bible if you give a theif your cloths when he is there to steal it, you are DUMPING COALS on his head, then if you where to beat him up. READ MORE ABOUT THE COALS THING HERE.. bibleforums.org/forum/showthread.php?t=35911
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Post by pieisgood on Jul 10, 2005 19:05:17 GMT -5
If you want us to believe something we can't disprove, you still need to prove it. PROOF!?! They aint got no stinking "PROOF"! If he has proof, I'd like to hear it. If he doesn't have proof, I'd like to challenge him on it. Seems win/win to me. I belive if you dis-belive in GOD you are seeing the other side and not the true picture of the illiusion Funny, 'cause I believe the exact opposite. What do you do when you disagree on these boards? Debate it. I would really like to hear an argument. and you need to look more and KNOW THAT ITS THERE, no matter how long it takes for you to see the other side. I'll tell you right now, preaching will go nowhere around here. Talking about blind faith will make people take you less seriously. The purpose of these boards is rational, logical debate. Frankly, I'm yet to hear an argument out of you. We can't open our 3rd eye until we believe in God, and we can't believe in God until we open our 3rd eye. It's a clear-cut case of circular logic, unless you can prove to us that God exists in the first place*** Oh, what's with the hot coals thing? Are we supposed to give doggy biscuits to theives?
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b33
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Post by b33 on Jul 11, 2005 16:11:42 GMT -5
I am living proff, GOD has changed me hudgly, i used to be completely different as a person 1 year ago then i am today, and its not just biblical stuff in my head now thats changed me, its everything i do as a person, Maybe you dont belive in GOD but like i said im only here to speak to those who will listen and hear it,
If you want me to prove my statement prove to me there is no GOD, you cant, the whole key to finding GOD is having faith, and KNOWING hes there, everything you see is his offering and him giving you, and you still cant see GOD, maybe you should have FAITH and really belive, and look at the WORD, AND REAMBER THE WORD IS KNOWN TO EVERY SOUL TODAY MOST LIKELY, EVERYONES heard of who JESUS CHRIST IS, now thats more then you can say about your self, The reason the word is KNOWN by everyone is beacuse its the way it IS, and its the way it will BE, you can say anyone can make up stuff like this, but who can really really do it? who can really be known though out the entire world to every soul living and not be somthing, the fact is JESUS is the bridge and he is the SON, everyone sees HIM.
My advice to you if you want to see what im talking about, is to BELIVE and PRAY, but more then that, take him in to your heart and live with him every day, you are what makes or breaks the bond.
Take in consideration you are who you are, and nothing stops you from doing good or evil, generaly speaking when i say good and evil, i mean GOOD stuff that pleases GOD, and BAD stuff that displeases GOD, So trust me, once you have been touched by GOD, and changed as a person, YOU WILL FELL IT, and you will understand it fully, do not look to know it without experiancing it, its all an experiance, you can not simply, type this beacuse everyones different, just belive in what im saying and try it, why else would I be here writeing this, its changed me and i want everyone els to see the LIGHT.
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Post by necroshine on Jul 11, 2005 17:34:01 GMT -5
I will read what you have to say. I’m doing it now. but you don’t offer proof that god is real. Nothing. You say nothing just that you do believe and we don’t. and our lives are less then yours because we don’t believe.
Its not up to us to prove anything. You are the one saying that god is real. So it is up to you to prove to us that he is real. That would be like the cops coming into my house arresting me and telling me that I had to prove that I didn’t kill someone. It is up to the cops to prove that I’m guilty because they are the ones that clam that I am.
The same can be said about allah. But yet you don’t believe in that god.
Again the same can be said about allah. But you still don’t believe in that god. Plus not EVERYONE has heard of jesus Christ. That is false. What about all the Indians that was here in America BEFORE the Europeans came to the land? They had never heard of jesus or your god. They have their own god. And it is not a streach of the imagination to think that there was Indians that lived their whole life in the woods of America and never heard of your god. That whole concept is flawed. Everyone has heard of god. That is false.
I’m not telling people that I’m the son of god.
That is not the way it is. I just proved that it is not that way. not EVERYONE has heard of god or jesus.
The collective of people on this earth can and has done that. there are many, many gods. much more people in history don’t believe in your god than does believe.
so you are telling me to see god I have to first believe then I will see. Circular logic again. That is not logic.
I’m happy you believe and are content with that but I use to go to church and I have read the bible and I have prayed. None has brought me to see your god. You say to do these things then I will see god. I’m here to tell you that it did not happen. And don’t tell me I was not honest because I was. What you are saying is not real. If you can believe god with out proof that is blind faith, you have to admit that. now I can not go on blind faith anymore. I ran out of that ability a long time ago.
Why don’t you believe in allah? You have heard of him. and you know that he is the way to that heaven. But you still don’t believe. I’ll put it to you like this. You are an atheist against about 3000 different gods. I am just an atheist against one more god than you are.
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Post by solidsquid on Jul 11, 2005 18:31:09 GMT -5
I hear the same tired ramblings over and over again...it can all be avoided by critical thinking which most people sorely lack.
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Post by AuntieSocial on Jul 13, 2005 6:47:27 GMT -5
I hear the same tired ramblings over and over again...it can all be avoided by critical thinking which most people sorely lack. They do say that "Common Sense" is the rarest commodity....
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twobirds
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Post by twobirds on Jul 13, 2005 11:59:30 GMT -5
I never thought about it that way, very interesting.
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Post by necroshine on Jul 13, 2005 16:56:16 GMT -5
thank you twobirds i like it also and there is not an argument against it. i would love to hear b33 or the others would have to say about believing in only one god. if your an atheist against all other gods why make an exception for one out of the 3000? take the final step and say to hell with all of them.
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b33
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Post by b33 on Jul 13, 2005 18:14:47 GMT -5
Its true theres millions of belifs and gods, but THOU SHALL NOT HAVE NO STRAGE GODS BEFORE ME, is one of the sayings in the bible, If you want to trust me and start to learn the ways of the LORD, read this.. this is the holy spirt, SUPPORTING EVIDENCE THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT IS FEMININE If any of you lack wisdom [Sophia], let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. - James 1:5 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him? - Luke 11:13 Perhaps the first argument which can be offered in support of the feminine gender of the Holy Spirit is Her association with "the spirit of wisdom"(Exodus 28:3; Ephesians 1:17). In both the Old and New Testaments, Wisdom is often personified in the feminine gender: "Say that Wisdom is thy sister" (Proverbs 7:4) "Wisdom has built a house for herself, and set up seven pillars" (Proverbs 9:1) Proverbs chapters 8 and 9 are in fact an extended allegory of Wisdom depicted as a woman. "Wisdom is known by her children" (Matthew 11:19; Luke 7:35) "Therefore also said the Wisdom of God, I will also send them prophets and apostles . . ." (Luke 11:49). In this text our Lord is equating the "Wisdom of God" with the Holy Spirit who provided Divine inspiration to those who wrote the Scriptures (2 Peter 1:21). He refers to Wisdom in the feminine gender. The Old Testament word for "wisdom" is chokmah which has the feminine ending. The New Testament word - in the Greek - is sophia - also feminine. In fact "Sophia" is the name for a goddess of wisdom in the Greek pantheon. It should be obvious that the Early Church, when reading the Greek Septuagint - the translation of the Old Testament for the Greek-speaking Jew - would have made the connection between that goddess and the Holy Spirit. Of course, a Gentile Christian would have known that the Holy Spirit was not a Greek goddess. Rather, he would have confessed that the Holy Spirit was the true Sophia in contrast to the pagan imitation. The connection between the Holy Spirit and Sophia is more pronounced in the Apocrypha. The Apocrypha are writings from the Intertestamental Period which was contained in the Septuagint but are not included in our modern Bibles. (They are regarded as deutero-canonical by the Anglican Church). For Sophia is a loving spirit. . . For the Spirit of the Lord filleth the world. More can be read here... www.adishakti.org/text_files/holy_spirit.htm
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Post by pieisgood on Jul 13, 2005 19:31:13 GMT -5
Hit "Find and Replace" "God" -> "The Easter Bunny". It gives really funny results.
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Post by Enuffalready on Jul 14, 2005 3:03:56 GMT -5
I am living proff, GOD has changed me hudgly, i used to be completely different as a person 1 year ago then i am today, and its not just biblical stuff in my head now thats changed me, its everything i do as a person, Maybe you should check out nonny's link about fallacies. Becaues anecdotal evidence really sucks in a logical argument.
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twobirds
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Post by twobirds on Jul 14, 2005 8:24:52 GMT -5
This thread is like magic, nothing but smoke and mirrors.
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b33
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Post by b33 on Jul 15, 2005 16:59:00 GMT -5
lol , everyone I understand your doubts, and your wondering, but I just wanted to share to you the bible, and suggest it to you all to have you all take a look, but just reamber I dont care if you all bash me and stuff, beacuse im here to share this with you, I suggest to you this, if youve never read the bible, I find answers in every other one I read, if you read the bible, you will be guilded to more and more of the puzzle, you will see if you just belive. bible.gospelcom.net/passage/?book_id=29&chapter=1&version=45heres a web site that have some good prayers, they are well thought out and help remind me that we all can recive it. www.mycatholictradition.com/prayers-for-daily-need.htmlAudios, have fun everyone
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Post by chickenlittle on Jul 15, 2005 19:49:44 GMT -5
I'd like to suggest a much better place to read the Bible. I wish someone would give me the SAB in book form for my birthday... www.skepticsannotatedbible.com
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