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Post by necroshine on Jul 15, 2005 20:53:40 GMT -5
The same can be said about Allah. Allah makes the same rule in the Koran. What is your point? like I said. Why pick out this god over the others?
And why do you go on about god being a woman? I don’t think anyone said anything about god being either man or woman. Why would you even say he, she, it, was anything. To say it is one more than the other is you putting your ideas on what you want god to look like. What you think god should be and look like. I don’t care what it is. It is not real, not to me.
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Post by b33 on Jul 16, 2005 0:43:37 GMT -5
n 2:17 God said that if Adam eats from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, then the day that he does so, he will die. But Adam eats the forbidden fruit and yet lives for another 930 years
That web site says this as a contradiction, and i think it contradicts alot of the wrong thing, but personly the bible dont contradict itself,
We ate of the tree and no doubt we shall see death, all of us see death, it was beacuse are eyes where opened to good and evil, which made us sinners beacuse we can not control areselfs fully, though divine grace.
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Post by necroshine on Jul 16, 2005 14:38:40 GMT -5
B33 are you even reading what other people are saying? Again you say the bible doesn’t have any contradictions but you also show one and state that it is a contradiction.
Do you have any ideas of your own? Can you think about anything more than what other people tell you?
Show us some free thinking. Why do YOU believe in god. Why do you know he is real.
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Post by b33 on Jul 16, 2005 17:31:35 GMT -5
Lol its funny beacuse it goes both ways, I view you all and at first glace all of you seem to not be reading what im saying, but of coruse the thing that is different from me then from you, is i was where you where at, and i was a non beliver too! and i used to wonder and always say If GODS real this, IF GODS real that, but ive learned and have been free'ed and It has made me a new person, I dont tell everyone this beacuse my goal is to show it as my person, but GOD has helped me, and has answerd all my questions, from how if nothing had to of been there way back before everything, how did NOTHING come FROM somthing, although that stumps everyne and no one knows for sure I was answerd though my heart by GOD, and its no matter of me looking at it of DID it, its a matter of looking at it of HOW, and WHY, beacuse my eyes i can open any secont and see life, Its just something that has been shown to me though belife, and faith, and truly seeking to cleanse my heart,
If you dont belive in clenseing the HEART you are truly not seeing the picture, and its why you must take up your destiony and do it, we are all here for a reason, and now how ever I got my eyes arms, im not exactly sure but I can use them, but alot of my thinking is to think of what I have, and think of it if i hadnt have it, but i see true ART and Design in all humans, GOD is real, its just a matter of beliving, and accepting that you dont know everything, beacuse if you belive in GOD your will is your way.
Iron will, = success no other explication.
I am seriouse I seek to clense my heart beacuse I relise true happyness in divine grace, where thoughts no longer dwell, and where actions proeceed to go forth and carryout with success. My heart as a person, not as who i look, but my person inside, used to be dark and ugly, and truly effected the person everyone made me out to be, but dont think i was some freak show, beacuse i look like an average person, but Im telling you I just THANK GOD for the molding he has given me, and his crafting in my new self, its all around though, its to every person i enteract with in life, to everyone i talk to, It truly is undescribable, but I tell you its a treat that you seek, deep down, you seek GOD, for all your problems you have, you truely seek GOD.
------------------ My thinking, lol all this is my thinking, I have taken the bible into my heart and understand its meaning, and relise its purpose, and carryout my life as much as i can with the knowlage in my mind, this knowlage though you must understand its like 3D, but more then 3D, 4D, beacuse it effects you in all + MORE ways, it effects you in your life, what you hear, how you act, how you make decisions, how YOU THINK, and that there is a hudge thing, beacuse you think positive, your outcome will be positive, and you must reamber KARMA is so BLUNT lol. But bro you mis understood my previous post, what i was saying, is the website that is pointing out all kinds of crazy to call contradictions, and i posted that one as a clear as day mistake by the people calling out the bible.
They are saying and thinking that GOD said if you eat of the fruit, you shall surly die, and they are thinking GOD ment it would bring death to them immidently, or something but what GOD was saying was that you eat of the forbbiden fruit, you shall be cursed, and you shall surly die.
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Post by vertigo on Jul 17, 2005 5:46:17 GMT -5
Karma is not a uniquely Christian view. Accepting that you should act responsibly has nothing to do with Christianity. Whether you see it as your responsibility to be good and do what is right, or whether you see the penalty of karma and seek to avoid it, this has nothing to do with Christianity.
Christianity adds a whole lot of mumbo-jumbo to it. If you ask me, karma is a useful construct, a way to teach morality to the masses. Be good or else. Whereas the more enlightened individual would choose to act responsibly, it is useful for the less enlightened, to get them to behave.
Christianity goes further, though. Christianity is about moral superiority. This 'true happiness' is born of pride, pride that you are morally superior. Christianity emphasizes forgiveness, and people protest that zealousy is not supported, however if one is morally superior, one's enemies are morally inferior, and the world would be better place without them, right? Why do you think it is that the fundies are trying to change society? Why do they want to reinforce 'family values'?
So I suppose you could argue that the intent of Christianity is not about moral superiority, because one shouldn't be concerned with the actions of others. After all, you will go to heaven, and that's what's important. Christianity does contain within it the seeds of zealousy however, and to ignore that is to be entirely deluded.
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Post by necroshine on Jul 17, 2005 8:24:23 GMT -5
Do you think that adam went to hell? if he did not go to hell then he did not die. He is living forever in heaven. It is still a contradiction. Adam is not dead. Unless you believe that he went to hell.
Where is the art in a baby that is born without a brain? How is that art from your god? Have you looked into birth defects. Have you seen the many ways people are born? Some without arms and legs, some without eyes, some that can not live outside the mothers body. Where is the art? What design is there when a mother gives care for the unborn child just to find out that the poor child is going to die because its heart is not working and when the mother gives birth the child dies. Where is the art in this? I have not even went into people that are insane and are born that way. oh I’m not talking about drug use. All this happens without drugs.
You hit the nail on the head here. You have to believe in order for god to be real. If you don’t believe then god is not real. Its that simple. But unlike other things like my house, it can exist even if you don’t believe it is real.
First off you have that backwards. And second you have not looked into the big bang theory. No one says that everything came from nothing. For a effect to happen you have to have a cause. We see the effect we have just not figured out what caused this yet. No one says that it has no cause. It could be as simple as two planes bumping into each other. Who knows? Or what if there was no beginning? What if the universe was contracting then it missed the infinite point and just started expanding again? We might be in the 5 state of universe expansion. Or the 100th time. Who knows? If god can “always be” why not the universe could have “always been?”
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Post by b33 on Jul 17, 2005 16:39:47 GMT -5
I didnt even read all your posts lol, but all i can say is make www.bible.com your homepage for a week and read the verse of the day, just read them they are like nuggets of gold. Its hard for me to explane, but reamber GOD is the omni poet, only he can truely understand it all, so you must fell his truth in his words, not by his true presence as it is now, but you must belive, and trust in Jesus Christ, as your savior. Bear with me, do you all know them optical illusions that are just a picture, and you stare at it, and then a whole new image will pop out like almost 3d, thats exactly how this BIBLE is, and the WORD, except stareing with your eyes, you must have faith build up in your mind, and then you can truely see more, of what it is you are LOOKING FOR, belive me, the bible is the way man ive experianced it, and MILLIONS OF OTHER PEOPLE HAVE TO, GOTO bibleforums.org/forum/and just post and become a member over there and give your opinions you will see, it is the truth.
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Post by necroshine on Jul 17, 2005 17:57:20 GMT -5
How dare you!!!! After you said this.
You want someone to read your mindless dribble, I do and yet you don’t show me the same courtesy. (yes I know mine is also mindless dribble to you) You should call yourself a christan that is what I have come to expect from people like you. You want everyone to listen but when someone says something that you don’t agree with you ignore it. You have a close mind and no one will get through it. Here is where I stop. If you even read this. You should be ashamed of yourself. You only want to tell other people how to live you don’t want to talk and discuss things. I’m going to pull a Pontus pilot , and wash my hands of you.
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Post by b33 on Jul 17, 2005 21:05:21 GMT -5
ok bro talk to me, tell me exactly what you want ill answer you, and not just spit my image i see, its just how i am right now lol, but lets here it, Im only 17 i dont have all the answers, but lets here it ill help make it make sence.
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Post by solidsquid on Jul 17, 2005 21:18:51 GMT -5
I didnt even read all your posts lol, but all i can say is make www.bible.com your homepage for a week and read the verse of the day, just read them they are like nuggets of gold. Its hard for me to explane, but reamber GOD is the omni poet, only he can truely understand it all, so you must fell his truth in his words, not by his true presence as it is now, but you must belive, and trust in Jesus Christ, as your savior. Bear with me, do you all know them optical illusions that are just a picture, and you stare at it, and then a whole new image will pop out like almost 3d, thats exactly how this BIBLE is, and the WORD, except stareing with your eyes, you must have faith build up in your mind, and then you can truely see more, of what it is you are LOOKING FOR, belive me, the bible is the way man ive experianced it, and MILLIONS OF OTHER PEOPLE HAVE TO, GOTO bibleforums.org/forum/and just post and become a member over there and give your opinions you will see, it is the truth. b33, you seem to assume that we haven't read the bible, in several of its versions...(why do I have a feeling I've said this before?)...also some of us have even read what prominent philosophers of religion from Thomas Aquinas to John Hick have to say on the matter. This would be an incorrect statement. The problem here is, everyone has their own little idea of how to interpret and explain contradictions of the philosophy involved as well as the scripture itself. Yet, there is no corroborative evidence for this. We would need to take these statements simply, for lack of a better word, on faith that these people are correct. This is worthless in the critical inquiry with the goal of acquiring factual knowledge. I could easily tell you to review Taoist literature, the statements from the Tao Te Ching's phrase are "like gold nuggets" of knowlege. I could say the same for Musashi's Book of the Five Rings or the works of Bertrand Russell. This avenue of substantiation through appreciation is worthless for any route to validation.
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Post by Enuffalready on Jul 18, 2005 2:44:28 GMT -5
I didnt even read all your posts lol, but all i can say is make www.bible.com your homepage for a week and read the verse of the day, just read them they are like nuggets of gold. Its hard for me to explane, but reamber GOD is the omni poet, only he can truely understand it all, so you must fell his truth in his words, not by his true presence as it is now, but you must belive, and trust in Jesus Christ, as your savior. Ok whatever dude, Since you 've decided not to listen to any of us, I think I'll be granting you the same courtesy. Oh, and if your reading this (which I doubt you are) but I got a kick out of the omni poet thing. I prefer omni-impotent when refering to god, but hey long live the all poet!
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Post by Enuffalready on Jul 18, 2005 3:24:49 GMT -5
A few things here 1) The bible is one of the reasons a lot of us are atheists in the first place. 2) Some well thought out prayers are not likely to help or convince a non believer. 3) You are really adding nothing usefull here, just preaching to a bunch of people who for one it is uneffective on and for two who generally don't want to be preached to. 4) I have an idea why dont you set your homepage to www.bibletrash.com for a week, and maybe I'll give yours a try.
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Post by b33 on Jul 19, 2005 15:44:44 GMT -5
Dont be upset lol, we all have are opionions, and your so right, man lol i hope you make yourself happy man but the bible is my key to happyness and i am posting it to you all to let you know its real but its cool if you dont want to belive, beacuse im just here to share my joy. As i can see you share your joy, and i hope you keep doing it, beacuse you really make me happy that you just are who you are man.
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Post by necroshine on Jul 19, 2005 18:03:30 GMT -5
I have ran into the same actions of many people who call themselves a christian. Its nothing new. Being as your 17 I will also chalk it up to that. But if you come here to have a discussion do that, don’t just post something and move on.
Everyone finds happiness in there own way. we all are different. You have the bible, I have my art, Michael Jackson has his kids. (rimshot)
Now I have to point out a contradiction. First off it is cool of you to say that. you have tolerance of us and the way we think. If it makes us happy then you see nothing wrong in it. if that is what you mean. But, why can’t your god say that? he will send all of us to hell just for one wrong thing. if you can forgive so easily and don’t see a huge deal in what we are doing then why doesn’t your god? And if you don’t up hold the ideas of your god how can you say you’re a Christian? Don’t take it that I’m attacking you. I am only pointing out the same old contradiction that I found a long time ago. We humans are more forgiving than god is. Why is this? god does not forgive, he condemns. Think about it. an all loving god going around condemning his creation for the actins that we have no control over, if he knows the future. Does any of this smack of common sense? I can’t find any in it.
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Post by b33 on Jul 19, 2005 18:14:59 GMT -5
Ok you said this..
"First off it is cool of you to say that. you have tolerance of us and the way we think. If it makes us happy then you see nothing wrong in it. if that is what you mean. But, why can’t your god say that? he will send all of us to hell just for one wrong thing. if you can forgive so easily and don’t see a huge deal in what we are doing then why doesn’t your god? And if you don’t up hold the ideas of your god how can you say you’re a Christian? Don’t take it that I’m attacking you. I am only pointing out the same old contradiction that I found a long time ago. We humans are more forgiving than god is. Why is this? god does not forgive, he condemns. Think about it. an all loving god going around condemning his creation for the actins that we have no control over, if he knows the future. Does any of this smack of common sense? I can’t find any in it. "
Bro i know what your problem is, you think before you know actually, but to answer your questions, heres where i got to point out your wrong, and your viewing a question all based on somthing that is wrong, but First off, You say GOD does not forgive, your wrong he seeks to help us, but you are the one who sits below him, you are the one who has the power to grab his hand, not physically but though the spirt, and you say.. "But, why can’t your god say that? he will send all of us to hell just for one wrong thing." You must relise that GODs heart and will is forgiving, and wants you to recive him, but you look at it negitivly you will negitive pictures, you stray from GOD and you are IN HELL, thats the whole key, not physical but spirital and mental, you are lost, you have nothing without him, but dont think GOD only out to get us, you must see all the stuff he is giving us, and all the stuff he is SPEAKING OF, you must see it, you must see it, its every where, and as long as you think that GODS going to send you to hell, maybe your heart has not been clensed of the ENEMY which the bible warns us of, I dont like to speak of satin beacuse he is such a powerfull thing BUT he is also not, IT says in the bible, You resist the DEVIL he will flee, but people take this so literal and start mocking it right away, being decived beacuse of there lack of vision, there lack of intake in the real meaning of it, as long as you are not with GOD you are with the devil, weather or not you follow him, nothing like the GLORY will ever be possible.
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