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Post by b33 on Aug 8, 2005 14:04:31 GMT -5
Albert Einstein:
The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed.
Does this quote ring a bell for any of you,
I just wanted to see what you athiests think of spirituality.
Nothing with the bible, or verses, im talking about spirituallty, the soul within are bodies.
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Post by solidsquid on Aug 8, 2005 14:20:58 GMT -5
Albert Einstein: The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed. Why do you think this quote applies to spirituality? I can get the same sense of awe from an amazing guitar solo, a masterpiece of a painting, watching a martial arts master in action, et al. There is no evidence to support anything called a soul, sorry to disappoint you. And the awe Einstein spoke of is not, as I pointed out, relegated to just "spiritual" experiences. Need I get into the neurochemistry involved? |
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Post by b33 on Aug 8, 2005 14:34:07 GMT -5
The soul can not be proven? yet your talking beacuse you have it...
You yourself dont know anything about where you come from, so why would you set a limit on what it is that can be possible, or what it is that is,
You can experiance great joy, from playing music, you can experiance great joy from many other things, but have you felt the joy of your SOUL, the one thing that you are, have you experianced joy from the root of your thoughts and actions? have you ever thought of that?
You seem wise, but you also seem, like your thinking to much and reflecting on the past, what is it that really makes you think there is no such thing as a soul, do you think that the body is just a body? with no soul, you dont belive you are a temple with a soul to express your thoughts and actions?
When I speak of the soul I speak of it, beacuse I too cant prove we have one, but I know i have it right now and im useing it,
you too even though you disbelive you too know you have a soul.
You just know it beacuse you have it, you cant explane it, nor should you look to explain it, I think you should seek to recognize your soul.
p.s. now that I know the difference between knowlage and wisdom, I can express myself to show wisdom, the difference between Knowlage and wisdom is this,
Wisdom comes from recognizing the Knowlage, or information, only once you understand the information will it be wisdom,
Another thing, you really make me disapoited when you say, there is not PROOF, of such thing called a soul, that makes me think you have no other drive then to read facts, that other people have "STUDIED" to say it so,
Tell me this... even though i know the answer,
Before you know the answer to something you want to know, the reason it becomes great to your desire to know is SIMPLY NOT KNOWING, right? you KNOW somthing but you cant quite reamber it for sure, and it really starts to tweak you so you search for it, becomin more and more into knowing it, right, and it could be somthing as little as a name of a person who acted in a movie, yet once you have the facts, the truth in front of you, the whole mystery of it is gone, and no longer does it hold its same frame as being as desiring, You want what you cant have, but you take for granted what it is, you do have.
p.s. that is the reason this quote applies to spirituality, beacuse it brings wisdom of spirituality.
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Post by droskey on Aug 8, 2005 15:06:49 GMT -5
b33,
Maybe you should define what you mean by 'soul'. I believe that squid was talking about the typical idea of the soul which is a nonphysical essence that defines our personality and is seperate from our physical bodies. I agree with squid, I don't think that there is any reason to believe that such a thing exists. However, maybe you mean something different.
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Post by b33 on Aug 8, 2005 15:29:12 GMT -5
ok picture in my body then, and take out your thougts, and enter my this lol... By soul, and im not even touching the surface on all of its, attributes and actuall assets, beacues I too dont know exactly how it runs, or works, but I do understand this, that I to can question how it CANT be true, but it I also can question it, on how it CAN be true, Soul, to me is deeper then just are character, are person and are qualities, its more of the inside of us, you know the physical what we can reach out and fell, yes Im talking about the inside that actually reachs out to fell, the concious that is always there controling what you see, and what it is you learn, every day you learn more or less, right? Im not going to get that deep on the soul beacuse I personally dont think im always right, and I think you are just like me, and can think of a million ways that the soul is real to, you know whatI belive you can do that? beacuse you can write me back, and that means your a MAN, Im not tryin to get physco on you lol, but im being real with you, beacuse im dead serious when it comes to, are HEART, and are SOUL, now some times when man thinks of his rewards more then achieving them, there thoughtfull reward they created wont be fufullied, and they arnt seeing the real deal, Now are soul, belive it or not, is what I would refeer to as are BRAIN, but I look at it differently just beacuse of how Im raised, and im a Video Game type of guy, and I can almost make a game, and im talking about the level design, graphic design, model design, sound engeneering, and I think I can see a creation more just beacuse, im sitin at a computer some times making a world, an making a enviroment, and You know what?  ? You can live your entire LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIFE AND NOT SEE EVERY SINGLE THING THAT IS IN THIS WORLD, that mind boggles me and to me, I just have to hands down GIVE IT TO THE MAN WHOS DONE IT, just beacuse I have a strong desire to create a world, and create stuff, and all I have to do is look outside and see the world im living, in turn on the T.V. Go to my friends HOUSE, and ill see more then I have ever made in like EVER, |
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Post by solidsquid on Aug 8, 2005 16:49:32 GMT -5
The soul can not be proven? yet your talking beacuse you have it... You yourself dont know anything about where you come from, so why would you set a limit on what it is that can be possible, or what it is that is, You can experiance great joy, from playing music, you can experiance great joy from many other things, but have you felt the joy of your SOUL, the one thing that you are, have you experianced joy from the root of your thoughts and actions? have you ever thought of that? You seem wise, but you also seem, like your thinking to much and reflecting on the past, what is it that really makes you think there is no such thing as a soul, do you think that the body is just a body? with no soul, you dont belive you are a temple with a soul to express your thoughts and actions? When I speak of the soul I speak of it, beacuse I too cant prove we have one, but I know i have it right now and im useing it, you too even though you disbelive you too know you have a soul. You just know it beacuse you have it, you cant explane it, nor should you look to explain it, I think you should seek to recognize your soul. p.s. now that I know the difference between knowlage and wisdom, I can express myself to show wisdom, the difference between Knowlage and wisdom is this, Wisdom comes from recognizing the Knowlage, or information, only once you understand the information will it be wisdom, Another thing, you really make me disapoited when you say, there is not PROOF, of such thing called a soul, that makes me think you have no other drive then to read facts, that other people have "STUDIED" to say it so, Tell me this... even though i know the answer, Before you know the answer to something you want to know, the reason it becomes great to your desire to know is SIMPLY NOT KNOWING, right? you KNOW somthing but you cant quite reamber it for sure, and it really starts to tweak you so you search for it, becomin more and more into knowing it, right, and it could be somthing as little as a name of a person who acted in a movie, yet once you have the facts, the truth in front of you, the whole mystery of it is gone, and no longer does it hold its same frame as being as desiring, You want what you cant have, but you take for granted what it is, you do have. p.s. that is the reason this quote applies to spirituality, beacuse it brings wisdom of spirituality. Without repsonding point by point to your rambling, incoherent rhetoric b33, I will state, more clearly and succinctly for you. 1) I say there is no proof for any item refered to as a "soul' because there isn't. If there is something other than your subjective ancedotes, by all means, share them. 2) You, as many people do, like to keep what you speak of in the realm of cryptic and vague. Even if a soul were to exist b33, no matter how non-coporeal or other-dimensional it is, the fact that it suppposedly exerts some effect within this realm or rather our brains and bodies follows necessarily that there must be a point which there is a connection and that can be quantified according to the natural laws that govern our universe. There is no, I repeat, nothing that shows this anywhere. 3) You claim to have this wisdom but cannot just as your belief in god substantiate it past your own opinion and conditioning. No corroboration, no quantification whatsoever, this lends nothing to the veracity of your claims and therefore makes them effectively worthless for the aim of validation. 4) You, like most people asserting the same, assume the premise is that what is in question has already been established and it is upon the skeptic to invalidate it. This is false. The item in question cannot logically be a valid premise from which to work, you must validate the concept, not those who argue negatively. Try to positively support your statements and I assure you, you will come up empty. Try studying some neuroscience or biopsych and maybe you can tear yourself from this safety blanket of mysticism and obscure fantasy. |
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Post by b33 on Aug 9, 2005 2:24:46 GMT -5
Uhh man what ever, I belive what I belive, you belive what you belive, lifes good right.
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Post by necroshine on Aug 9, 2005 4:48:49 GMT -5
is that all you have to say to someone?
what ever live is good!
that is it?
you come here spouting off that there is a soul and a god and you wnat to sare that with s then when you can not show us what we ask for all you have to say is what ever?
come on with some FACTS. not just what you feel. where is the soul and what is god? tell us, show us.
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Post by solidsquid on Aug 9, 2005 12:27:40 GMT -5
I was once like that, afraid to challenge what I believed, what I was taught as truth. However, I could ignore stark reality only so long.
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Post by b33 on Aug 9, 2005 14:23:42 GMT -5
yea well, if you actually listend to me, and understood the real points im making, instead of contrdicting everyting I say, maybe you could find it for yourself, beacuse I cant do it for you, thats the whole thing im not going to wast my energy typing what I fell is truth, and could benifit you just to be shut down ever time beacuse you people have no faith, or have no assperations to understand the real meaning of life, I mean you just cant see it how I can, and I pray maybe one day you do, and I hope maybe one day you dont take me as some joke, but what ever take advice from me or not, Im only trying to tell you stuff that will benifit you.
The key to living a great life is to think POSITIVE, it dont matter if its real or not, if your thinking POSITIVE, POSITIVE things happen, and no matter if its real or not, your gunna live a better life, and I guarentee in the long run youll find more then just POSITIVE stuff coming from thinking positive, youll see more.
Now understand this, Im a HUMAN just like you, and what ever it was that made me belive so strongly in this, it must be somthing real evident for me to acutally wast my energy sitin here posting to you guys, and you got to understand I USED TO NOT BELIVE IN GOD EITHER, I used to see it exactly how you did, all hard headed, sayin no way, i dont care, questioning everything I could question and stuff, but let me tell you what, Its better to trust your GOD then to put questions in front of your bond, and be selfish to seeing what it is you want to see, its AMAZING once you just STEP OFF THE PEDAL and let your life be GUILDED, its more of a KNOWING it, and you will know it, but what ever im crazy cuzz there is no GOD, to your eyes, you just magicaly formed in your mothers stomach from some kinda bacteria and billions of years of ODDS forming us, yea... Thats it, humm thats positivety for you.
The only reason I stress to you guys to find god, is beacuse he brings much more then just happiness, its actually the answers your looking for, the disbelief you have, haha well tootles im just another Crazy GOD freak, who cant stop thinking positive, beacuse, ive found thinking positive gives me POSITIVE results no matters what, and im on this earth for what 80 or so years, well if i live to die, then let me live and die thinking positive.
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Post by solidsquid on Aug 9, 2005 14:44:44 GMT -5
yea well, if you actually listend to me, and understood the real points im making, instead of contrdicting everyting I say, maybe you could find it for yourself, beacuse I cant do it for you, thats the whole thing im not going to wast my energy typing what I fell is truth, and could benifit you just to be shut down ever time beacuse you people have no faith, or have no assperations to understand the real meaning of life, I mean you just cant see it how I can, and I pray maybe one day you do, and I hope maybe one day you dont take me as some joke, but what ever take advice from me or not, Im only trying to tell you stuff that will benifit you. b33, all you have offered is smoke and mirrors. You give us these vague references based in metaphor and nothing more. That is simply not enough to be convincing. Many of us here were xians for most of our lives and dwelled within the sea of ambiguity and literary devices to spur emotive responses. Regurgitating such does nothing to purpetuated your stance. You want us to believe you because it is what you believe to be truth but have no basis for why it is true. Can you not see why we are critical of your argumentation? How does this in anyway need us to believe in a god? It doesn't. An entire branch of psychology has been dedicated to this, Positive Psychology. One thing you will find is that belief in god(s) is not necessary to be positive or happy. Why is it better? How is your life better than mine because of belief in god? See, you cannot understand why we dismiss your "proof" when it is reminiscent of the statement above, all fluff...metaphorical and empty. It's obvious you don't understand these items so it seems that you may opt for an easier explanation, a shortcut. It's easier to believe in some vague deity than to understand how all this came to be by natural means. As to "forming in our mother's stomach"...you have to be kidding. Please tell me you are not this naive or ignorant. However, with the state of sex education and reproductive education in US schools, I can understand why this would be. Did you not learn about the process of fertilization after the fusion of the two gametes? Here is a site that can help with pictorial reference: laxmi.nuc.ucla.edu:8888/Teachers/pphelps/Published_Trays/PS27-Fall98-lec1/Pindex.html |
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Post by vertigo on Aug 9, 2005 16:17:27 GMT -5
B33, why are you here?
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Post by b33 on Aug 9, 2005 16:46:04 GMT -5
lol, you guys are impossible, I dont care what els you guys say or contridict or wat ever you want to belive,
I am here to still say GOD's real, now even though you dont belive in him, i suggest you find more proof that he is not real, before you actually say there is no GOD.
somthing of this matter CANT be disproven, but it cant be proven,
although it can be lol, its complicated.
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Post by necroshine on Aug 9, 2005 17:11:29 GMT -5
You have not made any REAL points. Only what other people have told you and what you feel is correct. That in no way holds true to reality.
I have not found much in the bible that will benefit me. I have read the whole book. Still god doesn’t move for me and never has, even when I believed in him and I feared death. Now that I don’t believe I am not afraid of death any longer.
How can you be happy following something you are to fear? “fear god” they say. WHY? He is all loving no reason to fear him is it?
You don’t think Hitler was thinking positive? Do you not think the people of the time of the Spanish inquisition wasn’t thinking positive turning people to your god? Positive thinking doesn’t do as much good as not wanting to hurt and kill one another.
If I’m not mistaken are you not 17? How old was you when you started to believe? Because you can not have had much time in your life to think about the different ways of living and what life is.
More wars have been fought over this positive thinking. I want no part of it.
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Post by b33 on Aug 9, 2005 17:43:16 GMT -5
Everyone has different circumstances, but some times the BAD the comes to you, dont get me wrong or am I setting how god works, but some times BAD comes to you beacuse you have KARMA that comes back around to you, im a strong beliver in KARMA, and some times its hard to deal with, just fight though it, Thats great your not scared to die, and all but it really sucks that you dont belive in GOD, I mean its nothing aginst you or anything, its just he hasnt shown himself to you like he has to me, All I can suggest to you, even though you may not be looking for help at this moment but if ever, you fell like down just TALK TO GOD, man youll be answerd, just speak to him like hes real.
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