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Post by Dragon*of*Heaven on Aug 12, 2005 23:27:39 GMT -5
Yes and he is undefined because of his "Chosen peoples" lack of ability to raise any factual evidence.
Alright you want solid proof that your God dose not exist then I will give it to you though reason so read carefuly. Out of every thing in existence you cannot find one thing that contradicts its self. This is because a contradiction cannot exist within reality. (try and show me one I beg you). Now your God is not outside reality because for any part of a thing to actually exist it must exist here. As you said NOTHING can come out of NOTHING however your God a sentient being must have for him to create nothing and then the every thing out of it. IE a contradiction
OK now I could go on with the discussion above but I'm sure you have heard it before. Your prattling on about god creating the dust that makes up every thing. Is just as confusing as us trying to figure out how every thing got started. Your abdication of logic in favor of leaving it at God did it, it was, it is, so there reminds me of a child. Neither is easy to understand and if any thing you still come with the question of what created God.
This is another contradiction.
Here is yet another. If you are Christian and not Jewish then you believe in Jesus Christ the UN self proclaimed king. Now God never changes. Correct? Then why do I see so many changes between the God of the Jews and that of the Christan's. Why do I see there being any difference at all.
And again this time out of the bible your holy book and source of proof. Many a time has God looked to destroy and yet was talked out of it just as many. For proof of this look at the story of Babel.
You will find contradictions abound in this God of yours. But there are no contradictions in reality. Explain this!
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Post by b33 on Aug 13, 2005 0:55:08 GMT -5
I simply put full faith in GOD, beacuse its just what I belive, stuff ive experianced, now I wish I new my GOD better then I did. Well for the simple fact of all the seasons and stuff, I just know life was created by GOD, lol I guess it dont matter what you belive, I ant here no more to change your points of view, beacuse you will see it how ever you see it, but it will always be different from me I guess.
peace.
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Post by pieisgood on Aug 13, 2005 1:27:19 GMT -5
I simply put full faith in GOD, beacuse its just what I belive, stuff ive experianced, now I wish I new my GOD better then I did. I think we all agree, you're not going to change your mind if we whacked you over the head with all the proof possible. You've said yourself that you're hear to show us God. So, confessing that your belief in God is blind and not based on logic is the best thing you can possibly do to completely undermine everything you've ever said on these boards. Well for the simple fact of all the seasons and stuff, I just know life was created by GOD, lol I guess it dont matter what you belive, I ant here no more to change your points of view, beacuse you will see it how ever you see it, but it will always be different from me I guess. peace. Seems to me you need to rethink why you are here. If it's to learn about atheism, read and ask questions. If it's to preach to us and convert us, you're going to be hurting more than helping.
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Post by vertigo on Aug 13, 2005 5:11:22 GMT -5
What about getting into heaven?
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Post by solidsquid on Aug 13, 2005 13:14:52 GMT -5
I simply put full faith in GOD, beacuse its just what I belive, stuff ive experianced, now I wish I new my GOD better then I did. Well for the simple fact of all the seasons and stuff, I just know life was created by GOD, lol I guess it dont matter what you belive, I ant here no more to change your points of view, beacuse you will see it how ever you see it, but it will always be different from me I guess. peace. How do you know your subjective experiences were indeed divinely inspired and not a cognitive bias of natural phenomena? This is one reason subjective anecdotes are useless and proof of anything - they are not verifiable nor are they testable. Many people who meditate report a feeling of "being one with the universe" and this formed the basis for such silly things like astral projection. However, this is simply a change in the state of the brain wherein the production of alpha waves and the reduction of activity in the superior parietal lobe contribute to a deep relaxation as well as a breakdown of spatial orientation and identity. Sorry to spoil your supernatural fantasy.
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Post by necroshine on Aug 13, 2005 15:37:03 GMT -5
Why that god? Why do you follow Jehovah, and not Hinduism?
How has god moved in your life? Why would he show himself to you and not me? doesn’t sound quite right to me?
How do you know this? what has led you to believe this? life could have been started many times and in many different ways on earth. Why do we need a god to do it? I don’t see why god is necessary.
Then you don’t believe what the bible says do you? How can you say you believe in the bible and don’t hold the ideas up?
Iuse to believe like you do but not now. andi’m glad you have stopped trying to convert someone. That will not happen. Not here. Your head must hurt banging it up against that wall? Stop it. if you want to chat about something do so. but stop preaching to people who know better than that.
You first.
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Post by b33 on Aug 14, 2005 12:07:06 GMT -5
You think you can explain my experiances, though your science, but you cant, thats the thing that sets me as a different person, you think how you think, I think how I think, and I still know and belive in GOD and the BIBLE its true, I know about brain waves and seting your brain waves can set yourself in a meditative state, your subconsisus becoming your unconsisis, I know about all that.
Bible first, everything els 2nt
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Post by solidsquid on Aug 14, 2005 12:47:27 GMT -5
I know about brain waves and seting your brain waves can set yourself in a meditative state, your subconsisus becoming your unconsisis, I know about all that. You've shown this statement to be untrue. You also base your belief and primary source of interest in your life on personal experience which, as I've stated you don't know are not cognitive biases or simple neurogenic phenomena. Take for instance, profound religious experiences, these can be found in people with TLE, those experiences are simply epileptogenic. Dr. Persinger's work with small magnetic fields has caused some to have such experiences centering on the temporal lobe. It was only a couple of centuries ago that items such as grand mals were thought to be possessions and asthma attacks were demons at work. Another item people constantly ignore is that we are pattern seeking animals. Humans pick up on coincidences and patterns. Mix this with some C.B.s and you can get misattributed events. If you cannot even prove objectively that your god is even logically possible and you don't care what we think, then why are you here?
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Post by Dragon*of*Heaven on Aug 14, 2005 16:45:14 GMT -5
Why do you belive in the bible? Do you know its history? Do you understand the fact that it has passed though and been changed, altered, and mismanaged by countless hands? You understand all this and you still regard it as beeing so infulental? Why? This is but one of the questions we would like answers to. Do you even have any answers or actual questions?
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The Reservoir Dog
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I'm sick of following my dreams, I'm just gonna ask where they're goin' and meet up with em' later.
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Post by The Reservoir Dog on Aug 15, 2005 19:34:44 GMT -5
B33 you constantly say that you don't care what we believe but the fact that you come back here day after day shows that you do. I therefore pose this question to you: Why do you care so much what all of us think?
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Post by paradoxymoron on Aug 17, 2005 0:20:09 GMT -5
I don't think I will give b33 any quotes of mine to mangle; I think the logic and reason (not limited to atheists) that I came here for are lost on him. I will, however, say that tradition or not, I find it really ANNOYING how b33 CAPITALIZES anything at all related to his FAITH.
But I didn't post here to talk about not posting. ;D I actually wanted to address something that came up earlier in a post by pieisgood (can I call you P.I.G.? oink). He/she/it mentioned that the idea of God being omnipotent, omnipresent, and benevolent (Isn't omnibenevolent redundant?) didn't make sense. The explaination I hear most of the time for that is that God is like a parent, not a friend. He lets suffering occur to teach man (as a whole) a lesson - the way you would punish a misbehaving child, even if it makes him cry. Obviously, I don't buy into this, but I'd love to see it disappear in a puff of A-Anon logic.
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Post by vertigo on Aug 17, 2005 2:52:00 GMT -5
What lesson does a tsunami teach when it ploughs into your hotel? Don't go on holidays?
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Post by paradoxymoron on Aug 17, 2005 12:34:05 GMT -5
Hence, man as a whole, as opposed to each individual member of the species. I'm not arguing that getting killed in a tsunami will make you a better person. I suppose the message God is sending would be something along the lines of "I have power" or "Stop being bad". As I am neither Christian nor a theologist, I can't answer that very well.
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Post by vertigo on Aug 17, 2005 13:52:57 GMT -5
It's an unsubstantiated claim.
Actually, I'll say more. The claim is "Given that God exists, I claim it is like a parent". God must be defined, then proved to exist, then the claim proved.
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