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Post by guerrillasaint on Apr 11, 2006 12:12:25 GMT -5
Never go a message? What do you think you are doing when you ask me questions. Just read my little blurb at the bottom. Since you are talking to me about God and I have a connection with him then he is talking to you through me. You have continually asked and asked to hear God and he as been answering you every time. Just because he isn't coming the way you want him to doesn't mean he isn't taking to you. He is talking to you right now. Listen. Be still pray and listen. You are just drowning him out with everything else in your life. Your doubt, your self-pity, your arrogance, your "reason". God wants you to ask and then be quite until he answers because he will answer.
I remember a while back you wrote about a dream you had about everyone being sick because they were going to hell (something like that). That was God you just rejected his warning.
It isn't about being Christan it is about having a relationship with god. If you want to have a relationship you have to let your guard down and let go of what you think is "reasonable"
Get over yourself you are not alone God is always there to talk to you. All you have to do is get yourself alone pray and wait. Quite your mind so that he can speak to you.
When you are on your death bed you can come to God. What i was talking about when I brought up Hell was that hell is out of the presence of God. So when you are in hell you don't get anymore chance to know him. Then you actually get to see what it is like to live without God.
When you don't agree with god and you refuse to acknowledge him then you aren't with him. Therefore you are out of his presence.
Be honest with yourself do you really want to talk to God. That would mean you are wrong about everything you have been saying about him. That would mean I am not delusional and that you have been the one believing a lie.
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Post by vertigo on Apr 11, 2006 13:29:17 GMT -5
Are you enjoying yourself, Guerillasaint? I'll bet preaching is much fun. You must be really proud of how you are showing us atheists the light. You must be a really good Christian...
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Post by guerrillasaint on Apr 12, 2006 9:18:40 GMT -5
It isn't about me it is all about having a relationship with christ.
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Post by vertigo on Apr 13, 2006 3:12:48 GMT -5
... a beneficial relationship, a relationship that gets you out of hell.
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Post by guerrillasaint on Apr 13, 2006 11:58:41 GMT -5
Yes, it is a beneficial and factual relationship but it isn't just about getting out of hell. That would be a simplistic and just one benefit from knowing God. There are more benefits to accepting God. Like you are never alone, you have joy when things seem really wrong, you begin to live life, things aren't as bad as they seem, you get insight that you would have never had the opportunity to have, you understand why you are on this earth, life stops being meaningless, and much more.
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Maverick's Chew Toy
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Post by bare on Apr 17, 2006 2:36:40 GMT -5
theres this stuff that works the same. only it gives you the munchies ;D
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Post by guerrillasaint on Apr 17, 2006 9:44:13 GMT -5
That stuff numbs you. As well as opens up the possibility of using worst stuff. (Drugs are Bad.) With God you aren't running form life. He shows you what it means to really live.
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Post by necroshine on Apr 21, 2006 21:36:35 GMT -5
That stuff numbs you. As well as opens up the possibility of using worst stuff. (Drugs are Bad.) With God you aren't running form life. He shows you what it means to really live. hahahahahah drugs are bad. what kind of drugs. there are more rx drugs that do worse harm than you can find on the street. i don't want to hijack this off topic but you can not say a blanket statment like that and get away with it.
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Post by guerrillasaint on Apr 23, 2006 22:35:59 GMT -5
Exuse me. If you use any drug in a way that allows it to take over your life (I.E. it becomes your life) then that is bad.
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Post by Dragon*of*Heaven on Apr 24, 2006 12:31:06 GMT -5
First Abuse is one thing, but we are talking about useing not abuseing. People misuse cigarets all the time and I dont hear you joining green peace. Weed wont kill you cigarets will. But I am off topic so lets get back on.
Gurrilasaint you still have not even tryed to disprove the fundamental part of my argument. So ill make it absolutly clear. How do you know that you are not just talking to your self? How do you know for a fact that you are talking to your God? If I ask your God about something or talk to your God. I am in essence already beliveing in him. This means that I will hear something because I want to. Dont you get it, what you are doing is a form of excapeism brought on either by guilt for an action or inibility to cope with an existence you find misserable.
Please alow me to clearify Hell for you Gurrillasaint becasue I dont think you really have an idea of what you are saying. Hell my dear Gurillasaint is as you put it existence without God. It is not fire and brimstone. Preists used that crap to scare little children into religion, so please Im not a child dont bring it up here. True hell is as you put it not beliveing in God and not feeling his presence. What you have to understand is that we dont care as we already dont feel his existence. In other words this might as well be hell. Becasue it wont change if we go there. Now just incase you decide to be a dolt and go into the whole "Hell is torture fire and brimstone, where for an eternity your flesh rots away as you smell it in your nostals, worms eat at you and you scream in agony etc..." Let me save you the trouble by afiliateing you with what true agony is not being able to see hear or speak or touch but being left with your own mind aand a scence of existence all alone. Ie solitary confinement while being left with just enough sence to know you exist but not enough to express it. This my freind is torture. Pain is horible but there is a point where in the absence of pleasure, pain assumes pleasure. at this state every one in hell will be in rapture. Also answer me this question "Would those in hell embrase each other as brothers. Or would they hate eachother. Would they continue all debochery, forbidden love hatred etc. Or not.
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Post by solidsquid on Apr 25, 2006 11:17:09 GMT -5
Looking over this thread, I think I see one of the major problems in discussions between those seeking to proselytize and the target of such action especially when the targets are atheists or skeptics.
Not only here but in many other encounters, what is put forth by the deity proponents is a collective of very abstract concepts, metaphor, and allegory. From our side this is extremely confusing in that we work much better with concepts if they are clearly defined, parameters explained and so forth.
Saying such things as "...you're just not listening to God" is next to meaningless to us. We don't literally hear anything. Explain what the point you are trying to convey as best as you can in strict terms. If all we get is "Look and you'll find him" tripe, it does us no good - what is involved in this looking process? What is the procedure? What is involved? Explain, elaborate and quantify where possible!
Carry on...
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Post by guerrillasaint on Apr 25, 2006 14:22:07 GMT -5
They are both a drug and so is beer. I know that it is harder to get off cigarettes than it is to get off of crack.
I will give you an example. I am trying to still live by God's will and not my own. A few weeks ago I prayed to be more selfless. Then I got an opportunity to one day when my job asked me to come in and work extra hours because they needed some one to cover some hours. I didn't want to go so I told them I would think about it. I began to talk to God. I told him I didn't want to go. He reminded me of what I had prayed for just a few weeks ago. I kept trying to pray to not go in, but I couldn't really pray for it. ( for example I usually pray to God to not have them take my on call and end the prayer or go on to something else.) God wanted me to pray that is his will be done. I didn't do it that way I made a deal with him, I told him that I didn't want to go to work but if I called back and they needed me then I would go to work. Well they said that needed me so I said I would come in. When I got to work the next day the other manager didn't see me on the list. They didn't need me but she would keep me because I was there. That pissed me off. I was very mad because I could have been at home on my day off. So I had to have another discussion with God. I told him I had felt tricked into going to work. I was very disappointed in the miscommunication that went on among the managers. I had it in my mind that I was going to work as a favor because they need me. He told me that I was doing a favor to him. He asked me what was reallying troubling me. I told him that I was having problems trusting him because I was afraid that I would have to do something I didn't want to do. He told me that no matter what he makes me do it will be good for me even if I don't like it when I am doing it. Then he told me that even when I am doing something I don't want to do I have to not only act in a positive manner my mind has to be in that same place. The deal is I still want it my way. He was trying to tell me that I can't have it my way if am going to be his follower. So the next day I have an on call and I still remember what happened to me the day before. So I try to just say that I don't want to go to work but i can't form that pray in my head. So I break down and say let your will be done but I stress the fact that I don't want to go to work. So I end up not going to work that day. But the lesson God was trying to teach me was that when I pray I have to put his will be done and I have to be OK with his will being done because he knows best. I have to mean what I am praying for. ( I know that was a lot but that is the only way I can explain it to you) It is a real conversation. I don't talk out loud it is usually in my head. I don't always have to say word either.
Know and loving God isn't about trying to cope with these situations it is about letting go of Guilt, and finding hope when it seems like there is no hope. My existence isn't miserable and if I feel guilty about something it is because I choose to hang on to something that I should have let go. One of the reasons Jesus died on the cross was so that we won't be plagued by guilt for the things that we have done wrong. That is why forgiveness is such an important part of being a believer. Your life is much less enjoyable if you continue to hold on to he past.
It is existence without God because shadrach,meshach, and Abednego were all thrown in the fiery furnace but God was with them in there. The difference is when you go to hell he won't be there to comfort you.
Didn't say that . What i said is not being in God's presence. Meaning you have not opportunity to contact him like you do now. When he sends you to hell his is cutting it off any and all possible contact with him. Yeah that can be toucher too. Still God can visit you in your solitary confinement. Whether it be in your body or in a jail cell. He can be with you just like he was with Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. Now if you don't have that then be truly madding
Sorry for not being clear. When I say listen to God I mean. Go somewhere where it is just you. Don't have anything on. Then you can either say, think, write, sign, sing this " God I would like you to speak to me" ( you can be more specific like how you want him to talk to you. Where or what you want to know about him. ect) Then wait in that same spot until you get an answer. If you want to tell him that you will wait for an hour and then you are going to go do something else then so be it. Be persistent in wanting to hear from him he likes that.
I don't always pray like this but since you guys don't ever do this this is the best way to really experience what God has to say. You have to be ready to "hear". Meaning get your mind quiet, focus on receiving God's answer. It may be in your head, it may be from someone else, it may be written, only he know how he will answer but it will be recognizable. For this one moment in time when you are trying to communicate with God you have to let go of your skepticism. Be willing to see something you have never seen before and never thought was possible. Only have the expectation of hearing from God when you pray to him.
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Post by Dragon*of*Heaven on Apr 30, 2006 11:49:54 GMT -5
Ok as you seem to almost see my point let me get you the rest of the way there. We Agnostics or Athists are fundamentaly without God. Therefor this hellish tourture you belive in is nothing worse than we are already feeling. for a moment let me try to show you something a little more to your understanding. If you are correct and there is a God and you go to him into eternal bliss, ok. Now you have an agnostic who dosent belive or even acnoledge Gods existence. For them their existence is no better or worse than it is currently. Being as we dont look for there to be a greater existence, the possibility that a next life is no greater dosent matter to us. Therefore from your prospective with God trying to look at us it would seem that we are in a fiery inferno but from where we are sitting it isnt so bad at all.
That is why the idea of hell isnt bad for us and also dosent frighten us.
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Post by guerrillasaint on May 1, 2006 2:40:56 GMT -5
even though your belief system isn't based on God doesn't negate his existence or the fact that he is still influencing your life. God is doing a lot of things for you that you take as everyday happenstances or chance. One day he won't spend time helping you out or reaching out. To be honest I don't think anyone can truly understand hell or heaven without experiencing it.
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Post by solidsquid on May 1, 2006 9:33:20 GMT -5
They are both a drug and so is beer. Question - Which describes an illegal substance? Substance # 1: Circulates through the body in about 30-40 minutes. Works on adenosine receptors in the brain inibiting firing when stimulated. Adenosine works toward sedation. It increases awareness, wakefulness, intllectual functioning. Decreases fatigue and sleep onset Can result in hyptertension, arrhythmias, and GI disturbances. Substance # 2: Works on the locus coerlus - may cause panic and anxiety. Has large impact on dopamine receptors as well as serotonin transporters. Inhibits reuptake of dopamine as well as norepipnephrine and epinephrine. Facilitates the release of norepineprhine, epinephrine and dopamine Action in the nucleus accumbens results in a stimulation of the reward function. Substance # 3: Passes through blood brain barrier and placenta and shows up in breast milk. Liver metabolizes 80-90% Decreases oxygen to the fetus in pregnancy and increases ADD chance in children. Stimulates hypothalamus causing fluid retention Decreases muscle tone. Stimulates acetylcholine receptors in the CNS producing an increase in vigilance.
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