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Post by guerrillasaint on Oct 26, 2005 12:12:36 GMT -5
I was poised with the question on the website months ago How God could ever sacrifice anything if he is a God. That question stumped me. I didn't have an answer, and I also wondered the same thing before. So you know me I believe in the one true God so I asked, and I got an answer for who ever cares. Now I know this isn't all of the answer but it is something to start off with.
When God came down to earth and inhabited a human. He no longer was omnipotent. He had all the weakness a man had. He was face the all the temptations a man also had. He had to learn and be subordinate. He also had to be nailed to the cross and die. (I don't think that was fun.) He was totally human.
The only reason he was able to be sinless is because he was in constant contact with the God father. He was always praying and studying and he knew who he was.
The sacrifice was that he stepped down from being all powerful to being able to be killed (that is his body) by a rock.
Just thought I would share that with you.
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Post by vertigo on Oct 26, 2005 13:43:16 GMT -5
Did you ask the minister, or did you invent it yourself?
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Post by Superhappyjen on Oct 26, 2005 15:10:44 GMT -5
Are you saying that the sacrifice was making himself human in the first place, not getting crucified?
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The Reservoir Dog
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Post by The Reservoir Dog on Oct 27, 2005 15:58:40 GMT -5
Guerillasaint I can tell that you have put a lot of thought and effort into this, and I respect that I really do. Now though I ask the follow up question. You stated in your post "The only reason he was able to be sinless is because he was in constant contact with the God father." according to christianity god lives in each of us; wouldn't that put us (who clearly still sin) in constant contact with god as well?
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Post by Dragon*of*Heaven on Oct 28, 2005 11:11:29 GMT -5
I also respect the effort but I must also ask a question. If as you say he was to be in hole human and non omnipotent then it dosent work. You see provideing that there is a God and he was in contact with this being, it creates a problem in that he is unable to commit sin and therefore understand the "stain" of humanity. You see where this problem comes in. You cant be fully human if you can't (as in incapabel of) commintting sin. In theory any person who was constently in contact with something of divine power could not do anything that is out side of the divine. There fore your God could never have become fully human and been in compleat contact with your God.
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Post by guerrillasaint on Oct 31, 2005 13:11:47 GMT -5
I didn't ask a minister i asked God and I got my answer.
I am saying that he choose to become human and lose some of his devine powers. The cursifixion was also a sacrifice becasue he would have like to have done it another way but he choose to submit to God the Father.
God does not live in all of us he only lives in those that have confessed their sins, repented and given their life to christ. Yet these people may still sin but that is covered by the blood of christ if they repent. When a person sins they choose to disobey God and therefore Sin out side the presents of God. To be in consent contact with God you must pray and listen to God's answers.
Sorry Dragon*of*haven I am slightly confused about what your question is but I will try to answer it.
God created humans that were sinless so being sinful is not a requirment of being a human. You choose to sin. The fact is that Jesus choose not to sin, although he was tempted.
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Post by vertigo on Oct 31, 2005 14:06:43 GMT -5
You forgot about original sin.
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Post by Dragon*of*Heaven on Oct 31, 2005 19:34:58 GMT -5
Ok can you clear this much up at least. By the statement above your saying that you have given your life to christ and thus it is not your own?
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Post by The Reservoir Dog on Nov 3, 2005 13:13:47 GMT -5
God does not live in all of us he only lives in those that have confessed their sins, repented and given their life to christ. Yet these people may still sin but that is covered by the blood of christ if they repent. When a person sins they choose to disobey God and therefore Sin out side the presents of God. To be in consent contact with God you must pray and listen to God's answers. So by this statement you are saying that god is not all accepting and that his love is not unconditional. By your above statement you are saying that god only is willing to protect those who accept him, that doesn't seem very christian of him now does it? |
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Post by The Reservoir Dog on Nov 3, 2005 13:15:44 GMT -5
I didn't ask a minister i asked God and I got my answer. So god speaks to you? Have you ever heard of Delusions of Grandeur? Check it out it might help you |
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Post by vertigo on Nov 3, 2005 15:15:32 GMT -5
He was a mafioso?
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Post by GodsAreUs on Nov 3, 2005 16:18:11 GMT -5
That's good, Vertigo. And it makes sense. God is the quintesential "Godfather," in that Christianity seems to be the ultimate "deal you can't refuse." Who needs concrete boots when you can burn in hell for all eternity? |
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Post by Dragon*of*Heaven on Nov 3, 2005 21:15:44 GMT -5
I would just like to reiterate this question
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Post by idgene on Nov 6, 2005 23:19:46 GMT -5
I was poised with the question on the website months ago How God could ever sacrifice anything if he is a God. That question stumped me. I didn't have an answer, and I also wondered the same thing before. So you know me I believe in the one true God so I asked, and I got an answer for who ever cares. Now I know this isn't all of the answer but it is something to start off with. When God came down to earth and inhabited a human. He no longer was omnipotent. He had all the weakness a man had. He was face the all the temptations a man also had. He had to learn and be subordinate. He also had to be nailed to the cross and die. (I don't think that was fun.) He was totally human. The only reason he was able to be sinless is because he was in constant contact with the God father. He was always praying and studying and he knew who he was. The sacrifice was that he stepped down from being all powerful to being able to be killed (that is his body) by a rock. Just thought I would share that with you. |
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Post by idgene on Nov 6, 2005 23:24:47 GMT -5
how could god ever be anything but what he always was? even if he came to earth and inhabited a human body he would still be god and know everything about himself. how could god ever forget anything? he is all knowing or so some people say. your concept doesn't make sense.
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