Post by necroshine on Nov 19, 2004 17:07:12 GMT -5
In the beginning god made the heaven and the earth. He made it by his choice, I assume. Now if it was his choice he then decided to make angles that had freewill. I assume that the devil has freewill just like us. If he doesn’t then god is the devil himself if god controls all the angles. Now then when the devil tried to take over heaven he cast them out into hell. Or did he? Being that the devil can come and go as he pleases. God tried again this time he made man, and gave us free will. He thought of a way to test this free will again. So he gave us a choice to eat an apple or not. Keep in mind that he didn’t tell man what the consequences were going to be. He told two people that did not know the difference between right or wrong. Remember they eat the apple of knowledge not the tree of life. So therefore they couldn’t have the knowledge of what is wrong and right. There was none at that time. To compare it, think of when you have a baby. When you bring it home you give it the safest home you could. Then when the child starts to walk around on there own, you put everything up out of reach of the child so it can’t not hurt itself. Then when your child gets older you give them rules to go buy, and you make sure you tell them what will happen if they break the rules. Its only fair. You wait till they are old enough to understand what all that means. God on the other had told the two only people on this earth that didn’t have knowledge to know right from wrong. When they break this rule, and keep in mind that it was the first offence to any crime. Needless to say they had no knowledge of what a crime was other than this beam of light telling them not to eat from this tree. So when they do. Because you even know your kids will do the things that you don’t want them too. You did the same thing to your parents. Its who we are. That behavior doesn’t have to be taught. God punishes the whole race that will ever be. These two people eating from a tree that god put there in the first place angered god so much and to such an extent that he cursed everyone that was going to be born. Do you think the punishment fits the crime?
We go a little bit farther down and we see the story of cane and able.
We all know that god is just and fair. When cane and able gave their offerings to god he liked able’s offering more than canes. The bible fails to tell us why. And any reason you can come up with is just adding words to the bible and you shouldn’t change gods words. So being that god showed favor towards able, cane got jealous and killed able. This is when god gets mad again and curses cane. We don’t know how. Although the bible says we will know how just by looking at him and his offspring. This is the first killing of humans ever. As far as the 4 people on earth was concerned they had never seen a person die. God told eve and Adam that they would die when they bit the apple but they did not. So how are they to know what death is, if they had never seen it? god curses the man that killed and his offspring forever. Again does this punishment fit the crime? When a man now kills some one do we punish the children for the crime along with the grandchildren of the murderer? Our hate does not go that far. We are more forgiving than god is.
A bit latter in the bible when the world gets evil god decides to kill everyone off but save one family. He does that with a flood. See the people couldn’t just die. You know of a quick stroke or something that was relatively painless. God wants to drown everyone on the earth. That is one of the worse ways to die other than say being eaten. But you can’t have that. God was so pissed that he even killed the animals. What did they do? So god told one family to build a boat that would not be big enough to put all the animals in it that needed to be warehoused. After the flood was over and the two penguins finally walked across the desert and got back to the South Pole. Everything was fine till the devil was talking to god about how job was his favorite. So god loving this man and his family took the devil up on his dare. And put this man through all kinds of torture. God allowed the devil to kill his family and put job through all kinds of bad things but yet it’s a good thing in the bible that job did not turn against god for all this. Why is this a good thing? if I allow and encourage someone to do something bad to another person then I am just as guilty as the person who did the act. That is how we have our laws. Why is god allowing bad things to happen to someone he loves so much more? why is he even showing favoritism towards someone over others? Do you do that with your children? Do you think badly of people that do this with their children?
A few years latter god gets pissed again, because we are evil once more. How evil could we be in his eyes? In the time before jesus we would kill our own children for god. He would ask us to and we did. Why would you ask that of them when you love them so much? Would you tell your kid to kill your grandkid for you? But something pissed god off again. Apparently we wasn’t killing them right. He sent his son down to be killed. Still because he loved us so much that someone had to die. Jesus came down changed the rules once that was established. You can not do that. That should go against the rules. It would be helpful to tell us that the rules that were written in stone could be changed latter. now gods child was beaten and then beaten some more. Then they nail him to a cross to bleed to death and die on a stick. Why? Because god doesn’t want us to sin he hates sin. He dictates what sin is. At first it was an apple. Then it was sex. Now we have to love him. Why should I love someone like this? how is this a sacrifice for god? He gave his son (are we all not his sons and daughters?) for our sins. Jesus came down and then was sent back to god in heaven. What did god loose? When we sacrifice something to god we don’t get it back. god received jesus back in heaven again. This is not a sacrifice. God did not loose something he just gave it up to the earth for a bit. At most he let us borrow jesus. I also have to ask did the people who beat jesus and killed him go to hell? They was just doing what they had to. In order to let jesus be “sacrificed” for us some one would have to kill him. Would the people who had to kill him be put in hell for this? we as a people had to kill him. So is this a sin? If you had to do something is it a bad thing to do it?
Latter in the bible we see the end of time. What god has in mind. The worst evil is saved till then. No matter what we do, no matter how good we are. It is written that god will end all this with another evil act. There is nothing we can do to save mankind from gods anger. He will do this. Because we are evil, nothing more. he makes us evil and tells us we are evil and will punish us for being evil. In the end times man will look for death and will not find it. So god is going to open hell up and make us live through it. There is no hope in stopping this. It will happen, if you believe in the bible. Even if it was plausible it doesn’t make sense. We do not treat our kids the way god treats us. We are much nicer and forgiving than god is. Hell we will even die for our kids so they can live. How can you worship a being like this? If anything was in your power, you had the say so if your children live or die go to heaven or hell. Where would they end up? If you knew what was going to happen in the future wouldn’t to take the steps to keep them from harms way? And are you still punishing you kid for the first thing they ever did wrong? So if god knows what is going to happen why does this make him so sad and mad at us? He chose to do this. So why will he not support us in everyway? Is it not in his power? Or is he not real? If you were god would you make a world like this? It is said by the priests and preachers that you can not take a lot of the bible as the literal truth. Why is this? They say that is bible is made up of stories and it is to guide us through life. It is just to help us live better with the example of jesus and god. If I can’t take some parts of the bible as the truth then I don’t see how or why you should have to pick out what is truth and what is not. If god can not be truthful with us why should we follow him? If god can not treat us with more respect than w treat each other how is he showing us that he loves us? Are you still punishing your kid for the first thing he ever did wrong? Would you beat your kid because your neighbor told you that he will not love you anymore if you did it? would you kill your daughter for something your son did? With the people who don’t believe in god they are going to hell forever. There is no forgiveness for them. We are to forgive each other here on earth but yet there is no forgiveness from god to us. Just because of one thing we don’t do. No matter why we don’t believe. God doesn’t care for reasons behind a decision he is just concerned that we conform to his ways with out question. Never mind we have a brain set up to question everything. Here on earth we at least look into the reasons why someone does what they do. No matter what it is we do care what the circumstances are. God on the other hand seams to not care. All punishment will be the same and it will last forever. If this sounds just to you I fear for your children.
We go a little bit farther down and we see the story of cane and able.
We all know that god is just and fair. When cane and able gave their offerings to god he liked able’s offering more than canes. The bible fails to tell us why. And any reason you can come up with is just adding words to the bible and you shouldn’t change gods words. So being that god showed favor towards able, cane got jealous and killed able. This is when god gets mad again and curses cane. We don’t know how. Although the bible says we will know how just by looking at him and his offspring. This is the first killing of humans ever. As far as the 4 people on earth was concerned they had never seen a person die. God told eve and Adam that they would die when they bit the apple but they did not. So how are they to know what death is, if they had never seen it? god curses the man that killed and his offspring forever. Again does this punishment fit the crime? When a man now kills some one do we punish the children for the crime along with the grandchildren of the murderer? Our hate does not go that far. We are more forgiving than god is.
A bit latter in the bible when the world gets evil god decides to kill everyone off but save one family. He does that with a flood. See the people couldn’t just die. You know of a quick stroke or something that was relatively painless. God wants to drown everyone on the earth. That is one of the worse ways to die other than say being eaten. But you can’t have that. God was so pissed that he even killed the animals. What did they do? So god told one family to build a boat that would not be big enough to put all the animals in it that needed to be warehoused. After the flood was over and the two penguins finally walked across the desert and got back to the South Pole. Everything was fine till the devil was talking to god about how job was his favorite. So god loving this man and his family took the devil up on his dare. And put this man through all kinds of torture. God allowed the devil to kill his family and put job through all kinds of bad things but yet it’s a good thing in the bible that job did not turn against god for all this. Why is this a good thing? if I allow and encourage someone to do something bad to another person then I am just as guilty as the person who did the act. That is how we have our laws. Why is god allowing bad things to happen to someone he loves so much more? why is he even showing favoritism towards someone over others? Do you do that with your children? Do you think badly of people that do this with their children?
A few years latter god gets pissed again, because we are evil once more. How evil could we be in his eyes? In the time before jesus we would kill our own children for god. He would ask us to and we did. Why would you ask that of them when you love them so much? Would you tell your kid to kill your grandkid for you? But something pissed god off again. Apparently we wasn’t killing them right. He sent his son down to be killed. Still because he loved us so much that someone had to die. Jesus came down changed the rules once that was established. You can not do that. That should go against the rules. It would be helpful to tell us that the rules that were written in stone could be changed latter. now gods child was beaten and then beaten some more. Then they nail him to a cross to bleed to death and die on a stick. Why? Because god doesn’t want us to sin he hates sin. He dictates what sin is. At first it was an apple. Then it was sex. Now we have to love him. Why should I love someone like this? how is this a sacrifice for god? He gave his son (are we all not his sons and daughters?) for our sins. Jesus came down and then was sent back to god in heaven. What did god loose? When we sacrifice something to god we don’t get it back. god received jesus back in heaven again. This is not a sacrifice. God did not loose something he just gave it up to the earth for a bit. At most he let us borrow jesus. I also have to ask did the people who beat jesus and killed him go to hell? They was just doing what they had to. In order to let jesus be “sacrificed” for us some one would have to kill him. Would the people who had to kill him be put in hell for this? we as a people had to kill him. So is this a sin? If you had to do something is it a bad thing to do it?
Latter in the bible we see the end of time. What god has in mind. The worst evil is saved till then. No matter what we do, no matter how good we are. It is written that god will end all this with another evil act. There is nothing we can do to save mankind from gods anger. He will do this. Because we are evil, nothing more. he makes us evil and tells us we are evil and will punish us for being evil. In the end times man will look for death and will not find it. So god is going to open hell up and make us live through it. There is no hope in stopping this. It will happen, if you believe in the bible. Even if it was plausible it doesn’t make sense. We do not treat our kids the way god treats us. We are much nicer and forgiving than god is. Hell we will even die for our kids so they can live. How can you worship a being like this? If anything was in your power, you had the say so if your children live or die go to heaven or hell. Where would they end up? If you knew what was going to happen in the future wouldn’t to take the steps to keep them from harms way? And are you still punishing you kid for the first thing they ever did wrong? So if god knows what is going to happen why does this make him so sad and mad at us? He chose to do this. So why will he not support us in everyway? Is it not in his power? Or is he not real? If you were god would you make a world like this? It is said by the priests and preachers that you can not take a lot of the bible as the literal truth. Why is this? They say that is bible is made up of stories and it is to guide us through life. It is just to help us live better with the example of jesus and god. If I can’t take some parts of the bible as the truth then I don’t see how or why you should have to pick out what is truth and what is not. If god can not be truthful with us why should we follow him? If god can not treat us with more respect than w treat each other how is he showing us that he loves us? Are you still punishing your kid for the first thing he ever did wrong? Would you beat your kid because your neighbor told you that he will not love you anymore if you did it? would you kill your daughter for something your son did? With the people who don’t believe in god they are going to hell forever. There is no forgiveness for them. We are to forgive each other here on earth but yet there is no forgiveness from god to us. Just because of one thing we don’t do. No matter why we don’t believe. God doesn’t care for reasons behind a decision he is just concerned that we conform to his ways with out question. Never mind we have a brain set up to question everything. Here on earth we at least look into the reasons why someone does what they do. No matter what it is we do care what the circumstances are. God on the other hand seams to not care. All punishment will be the same and it will last forever. If this sounds just to you I fear for your children.
