i have a few questions for theists

[Cro55Pr34ch3r]

Hmmm, so one of your arguments for not believing in God is that you will be bored in eternity?

Have you considered the possibility that you may not cease to exist? Have you considered the possibility that if there is a God and you do not make peace with Him that, as an enemy of God, and for all of your errors in life that you may have to suffer His wrath?

The thing that gets me about atheists, is, based on the definition of the word, that you believe, FOR CERTAIN, that there is no God. Otherwise, by definition, you would call yourself an agnostic.

Now tell me, what takes more faith to believe?

[necroshine]

Cro55Pr34ch3r said:

Hmmm, so one of your arguments for not believing in God is that you will be bored in eternity?

One of my silly arguments is that. Its silly but think about it. Forever in one place. You will run out of stuff to do. Unless you really like to kiss gods ass.

Have you considered the possibility that you may not cease to exist? Have you considered the possibility that if there is a God and you do not make peace with Him that, as an enemy of God, and for all of your errors in life that you may have to suffer His wrath?

What have I done to be gods enemy? If god is outside our reality and is all powerful how can I do something against him? If I am gods enemy then it is him that called it first not me. How am I able to do something to god that can do anything. Just because I don’t believe in a god that chooses not to show himself to me why should that send me to hell?

The thing that gets me about atheists, is, based on the definition of the word, that you believe, FOR CERTAIN, that there is no God. Otherwise, by definition, you would call yourself an agnostic.

Now tell me, what takes more faith to believe?

I do not believe that god exists. I use to be a christian then I was an agnostic now I am an atheist. I choose to not hold out the possibility that there might be a god. If god can not understand my way of thinking then how can he be just?

[Cro55Pr34ch3r]

necroshine said:

I do not believe that god exists. I use to be a christian then I was an agnostic now I am an atheist. I choose to not hold out the possibility that there might be a god. If god can not understand my way of thinking then how can he be just?

God can understand your thinking, add that to the wrongs that you have commited (unless you've been perfect), do you know what that equals?

God being just

My second problem with the atheist is that they only quote the Bible (regarding God) that "God is love." They say things like "how could a God who loves send someone to hell?" The problem is that you never think about, or maybe it just scares you to think about, God punishing evil.

Take a look at your own avatar for example! Is evil just the absence of God? Is that why there is "evil inside"?

Or is there evil inside because you disobey?

What have you done to be God's enemy? You Disobey...

[necroshine]

God can understand your thinking, add that to the wrongs that you have commited (unless you've been perfect), do you know what that equals?

I am committing an evil act for thinking?
Sir I think you are the first perfect person I can ran into. It doesn’t seem like you have been doing any thinking for a while.

God being just

My second problem with the atheist is that they only quote the Bible (regarding God) that "God is love." They say things like "how could a God who loves send someone to hell?" The problem is that you never think about, or maybe it just scares you to think about, God punishing evil.

what evil? The biggest evil is done by the religious people. How many wars has been done in the name of religion? How many people have died at the hands of people who say they love god? Me not beliving in god is nothing compared to the Spanish inquisition. If god needs to punish evil then the people who preach tolerance then have none towards the people who don’t share their views on god should be punished for being hypocrites. Sending me to hell for not believing. A god that would send a peaceful person to hell for not believing and sending a murderer to heaven because they found god in jail is not just. Not at all. and if you can say he is you need to rethink your views.

Take a look at your own avatar for example! Is evil just the absence of God? Is that why there is "evil inside"?

Ok lets go with this,
Evil is on the inside because god put it there. Original sin! I was born with evil inside. Not my fault. I am doomed from the start.

Or is there evil inside because you disobey?

What have you done to be God's enemy? You Disobey...

Original sin made me gods enemy. I didn’t do anything wrong but I was born into sin. I am just calling man what god calls man. Evil.
This is going nowhere. Your arguments don’t add up.

[Cro55Pr34ch3r]

necroshine said:

Evil is on the inside because god put it there. Original sin! I was born with evil inside. Not my fault. I am doomed from the start.

But I thought that you didn't believe in God? So how do you explain that a being that you do not believe in put evil into you?

[necroshine]

I thought we was talking hypothetical.
I don’t believe but I can still argue my point about what god does and what the bible says it is. Evil and nothing but evil.

[Filter]

Cro55Pr34ch3r said:

The thing that gets me about atheists, is, based on the definition of the word, that you believe, FOR CERTAIN, that there is no God. Otherwise, by definition, you would call yourself an agnostic.

Now tell me, what takes more faith to believe?

Without your mythology, we wouldn't need to call ourselves anything. Why should we be defined by being the antithesis of you? Niether atheist nor agnostic serves as a good label.

I would prefer to just be rational. You can be irrational.

[Christian]

Filter said:

Without your mythology, we wouldn't need to call ourselves anything. Why should we be defined by being the antithesis of you? Niether atheist nor agnostic serves as a good label.

I would prefer to just be rational. You can be irrational.

You are certain about something which you cannot prove: that there is no God.

I have faith that God exists, although there is nothing about which I am so certain that I will not accept the possibility of my own error. I can't prove God exists.

I think I am being pretty rational, by comparison to atheism.

If you don't like the term "atheist," you could go by "nihilist." That's basically the Latin way of saying "nothingist." That way you don't have to be defined by your opposition to God.

[Cro55Pr34ch3r]

Filter said:

I would prefer to just be rational. You can be irrational.

So you are saying that it is irrational to believe in God? Why is that? Is it irrational because God cannot be sensed, or that God is not self-evident?

It that's the case I could say the same thing about your brain.

I cannot see it, smell it, touch it, etc.... It is not self-evident...

Could I conclude then that it is irrational to believe that you have a brain?

[Enuffalready]

Cro55Pr34ch3r said:

So you are saying that it is irrational to believe in God? Why is that? Is it irrational because God cannot be sensed, or that God is not self-evident?

It that's the case I could say the same thing about your brain.

I cannot see it, smell it, touch it, etc.... It is not self-evident...

Could I conclude then that it is irrational to believe that you have a brain?

Thats not a very good example because it is verifiable that he does indeed have a brain through cat scan etc. or even cutting open his head. There is no god scan that can verify the existance of a god.

[Filter]

Christian said:

You are certain about something which you cannot prove: that there is no God.

Your spiritual perspective has distorted your view. Understand this: Atheism is not the opposite of Christianity.

The degree of certainty in which I am unenthusiastic about God has no correlation with your faith in the same.

You are using the logical fallacy of "attacking the straw man". You state a distorted version of a position and make your arguments against it.

[Filter]

Cro55Pr34ch3r said:

So you are saying that it is irrational to believe in God?

Not in itself. It is one path to the development of society.

To the degree and method by which that many individuals believe, yes, I would say it can be irrational.

[Christian]

Filter said:

Your spiritual perspective has distorted your view. Understand this: Atheism is not the opposite of Christianity.

The degree of certainty in which I am unenthusiastic about God has no correlation with your faith in the same.

You are using the logical fallacy of "attacking the straw man". You state a distorted version of a position and make your arguments against it.

I took from your words here:

on Mar 15th, 2005, 8:11pm, Cro55Pr34ch3r wrote:
The thing that gets me about atheists, is, based on the definition of the word, that you believe, FOR CERTAIN, that there is no God. Otherwise, by definition, you would call yourself an agnostic.

Now tell me, what takes more faith to believe?


Without your mythology, we wouldn't need to call ourselves anything. Why should we be defined by being the antithesis of you? Niether atheist nor agnostic serves as a good label.

I would prefer to just be rational. You can be irrational.

...that the implication that you believed with certainty in the absence of a creator or "higher power." This, even, would not be the antithesis of my faith. But I'm sorry that I was in error. If you don't consider yourself agnostic, but don't disavow the possibility of God, perhaps your beliefs don't fit into any label. But, if you have no "beliefs" per se, I think the usual monicker is "nihilist."

Actually, if you really want to get picky about it, "atheism" is not antithetical to "theism." "Antitheism" would be. "Atheism" refers simply to the lack of a belief in God; it does not denote belief in not-God. So, maybe it would be more precise to remain "atheist." But who cares about semantics?