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Post by necroshine on Feb 18, 2005 6:06:08 GMT -5
So you get no money from your parents, loans or any odd jobs you may do? you do nothing to get money and no one gives you any. Is that what you are saying? But yet when it comes time to pay the bills all the sudden the bills are paid and you seem to have enough food? No one helps you but god in this? You need to give credit to the people that love you, help you and want to see you succeed in life. You need to be ashamed.
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Post by solidsquid on Feb 18, 2005 9:44:55 GMT -5
Ahh the wonders of human perception. Usually the formula goes as follows:
Bad stuff happens - my fault Good stuff happens - Goddidit
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Post by guerrillasaint on Feb 18, 2005 22:22:29 GMT -5
The way I see it, God has a broader view of the world and the universe. I know that I don't know everything, but I believe that God Does.
Good thnigs and Bad things Have to do with gods plan. I choose how I react to situations. If I choose to get myself into a bad situation God can either help me or not. His choice my choice. The differnce is He knows the out come of his and my choices so he can make a informed decision. That is what I believe. So yes I did have help from my parents and loans but that doesn't mean that God did have a hand in my situation. I must remind you that is what I believe. I am still accountable for my actions and my thought. I don't try to sugar coat my life by making up a God.
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Post by Enuffalready on Feb 21, 2005 4:08:53 GMT -5
All right for some proof. I am in college and I don't have money seriously. Still I manage to keep a apartment, feed myself, and pay for my school supplies which is 100 dollars a month. I don't have a job but I still manage to keep it all. I would say that it is nothing but god. My first year of college my money didn't come in until November when school was over but I wasn't stressed I knew that everyting was going to be ok and everything did. I have only a few credits left of school and I have to pay for my summer school. Do I don't how I am going to do it? no, but I know it will be paid. God has taken care of my finances all trought school and will continue to do so. That is one of my accounts. I went to the bank and got a loan to pay for my house Reason: Good Credit score My parents gave me money Reason: They're my parents they want me to go to school Heart transplant for my grandpa Reason: amazing technology and great doctors. My point here is that all these things are a result of a finite cause here on earth. Where as to say that getting money to go through college was an act of god is really no proof of god at all, because if you believe you can use god to explain anything. Its really kind of circular logic.
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Post by necroshine on Feb 21, 2005 20:14:46 GMT -5
Then why do you sugar coat your life in god, If you don’t have to? What bills did god pay for you? Does god get you up in the morning or do you have an alarm clock? Do you do well in school because you want to or because god makes you do good? What are you going to school for? Please don’t say to be a minister. But if your not going to be a minister then wouldn’t you be wasting your life in the eyes of god? That is a trick question, don’t answer it. I know you think god gives you life and the will to go on. That is fine. But just give credit to the people that help you, and don’t forget the real ones that love you. I guarantee that your parents would never ever send you to hell forever. if it was in the power of you parents you would go to heaven. Unlike god where he has no problem sending me and you to hell.
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Post by guerrillasaint on Feb 23, 2005 3:01:22 GMT -5
I have been mixed up with the forums so I have answer some of you question on NEW BOOK OFTHE BIBLE I obviously have no problem with coating my life with God. Through my walk with God I learned about myself and the things I need to correct. I going to school to be a artist. Still god does't need all christians to be ministers. He needs someone like me to. I have my special traits to talk to people that I come in contact with. To be more obvious no I am not wasting my life in God's eyes. I am talking to you aren't I. I don't forget the people that help me. I love my parents. I love my sister. I love my boyfriend. I didn't get anywere by myself. Still that doesn't make God does not exist. (I will tell you this again becaue I put this on the other forum.) God is giving you chances to accept him. He isn't just going to send you to hell becasue he likes to see you squirm. You choose to go. You have a choice right now. Accept or reject. You have the chance to not go to hell. My mother and father love me. It would be so wrong of me to tell them they are not my parent and that everything they have taught me is a lie. All right the non atheist has finished her rant. Peace
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Post by Enuffalready on Feb 23, 2005 5:31:52 GMT -5
God is giving you chances to accept him. He isn't just going to send you to hell becasue he likes to see you squirm. You choose to go. You have a choice right now. Accept or reject. You have the chance to not go to hell. Choice?? Well frankly you could come upon an orange colored fruit with a thick peel and a navel aperature that smells vaguely like citrus. You could "Choose" to go around telling everyone that its an apple. But that would fly in the face of logic. And for me closing your eyes to reason isn't much of a choice. If god wanted to make it a real choice it would have some reasonably plausible evidence, something tangible to make at least decent compettion with science.
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Post by necroshine on Feb 23, 2005 21:26:26 GMT -5
That is great. I am a graphic artist where I work. This is where we are going to be on the opposite side of the fence. You have heard of the phrase god given talent. As you would think I have problems with this. 1st. Why would god make someone better than someone else? 2nd god didn’t give me any talent. I worked on it myself. I taught myself to draw when I was in school. I never went to class for art. We didn’t have art class when I went to school. I learned everything I know from going to the library and getting books and staying in my room and drawing. When I started work I did factory work like everyone else I know. I bought my first computer with my wifes help and got some art programs. From photoshop, corel draw, illustrator, painter (that is my fav.) I even do a little 3d and some flash animation. Although trying to make an animation by myself is a slow process. I have only been to one photoshop seminar. Work paid for that. I taught myself what I know just by using the programs. And what I can find on the net. I hope you have a great job in art. I know I love the job I have now. Compared to the jobs I had in the past, this is the best ever. But I do not feel that god gave me anything. I pushed myself for what I have. I have my wife to thank, and myself. As far as my art goes.
I do not choose to go. I have never once said I want to go to hell. If I do find my self in this place god will be the one that puts me there. I will not willingly go to hell. I’m not crazy. To say anyone chooses to go to hell is just a bit nuts.
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Post by Dragon*of*Heaven on Feb 25, 2005 21:43:04 GMT -5
(I will tell you this again becaue I put this on the other forum.) God is giving you chances to accept him. He isn't just going to send you to hell becasue he likes to see you squirm. You choose to go. You have a choice right now. Accept or reject. You have the chance to not go to hell.
My mother and father love me. It would be so wrong of me to tell them they are not my parent and that everything they have taught me is a lie.
Im sure if any of you have heard me rant you know im going to have an issue with the above. For example as necroshine has already stated no one would willingly go to a place where they will (as your bible says ) be tortured for an eternity for my actions based upon a period of time not even a bat of an eye as long as the big picture is concerned. Im sorry but any being that could create such a place could hardly be concidered a lovieng god.you see if you die and you lived virtueously you have hopes of going to heaven. Now you did say that your rant was based upon the new bible. ( i went out and picked one of these up by the way) Who wrote this thing i must ask? You see any way that the bible could be considered new would be if it were changed. That in and of its self raises another point. How can humanity change documents that were said to be wispered into the heads of its writers by god and still consider the bible the real deal?
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Post by Dragon*of*Heaven on Feb 25, 2005 21:44:09 GMT -5
Ps: im sorry for this by the way but if you have mistaken my meaning at all read the words below.
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Post by guerrillasaint on Feb 26, 2005 5:07:51 GMT -5
Enuffalready Do you believe in anything without proof? Um can you give me proof of humans coming from the lines of apes? Neroshine Just becasue I have creativity doesn't make be better than some one without it. people are given talens to do certian things. If I am understanding you correctly the only way people could be on the same level is by making them exactlly the same. That is boring. Just becasue I have a talent for visual art and not for writting doesn't make me any less of anymore than that person that does. The Hell thing I must not have been clear. See if I went out and stole then I would face the consiquence. I decide to steal so now I am going to jail. that is how it works. I think I am starting to understand how you think. You don't want to live by Gods rules so therefore you denounce him. Am I right or have I gotten that totally wrong? Dragon*of*heavon Well you see my bibles is a translation of a collection of books written by people that god spoke to. The translation is the thing that is true. Since I can't read Greek or Aramaic I have to read the bible in my language. At the begining of each book in the bible it tells you who wrote it when they wrote it and who they were talking to. Well that is how my bible is set up. It even helps you understand some of the verses at the bottom of the page. It also has verses on the sides to lead you to another book that backs up a statment written in another book. Let me remind you that the bible is a collection of diffent book some are written at different time by different people. about your p.s. let me comment on that. I was just reading a verse in the bible about that. See God is willing to give up everything to save us. Jesus wasn't just his son he was also God. To understand this think of an egg. It has a shell, a yoke, and a white but they are still the egg. So he sacrifice himself for all of those who want his salvation. If you read about the hewbrew people when they left egypt it talks about all of the sacrifices they had to do. When jesus came he was the final sacrifice. Now all you have to do is trust in him.
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Post by necroshine on Feb 26, 2005 9:17:32 GMT -5
That is not what I am saying. If god loves us then way do some have no talent? You do have to be able to dance or act or anything else but some people are better than others at things they do. That makes sense to me when you look at what people do and what nature gives people. But when you bring in a “god “ that loves us then you have to ask why would he make someone insane and not have a reason to live. In nature that is ok but not with a god that loves us. Am I making my self more clear now?
That would make sense. If you do something against someone you have to pay a price. Then you are let go. If I take money from you then I go to jail for a little bit, do my time and I’m let go. I am not doing anything against god. I am not taking anything from him and I am not hurting god at all. I just simply do not believe in god. Do I have the choice to believe or not? I have a problem with god telling me to “turn or burn” I am not choosing to go to hell. I would never want to go to hell I don’t want to see anyone in hell. I don’t believe that an “all loving, all-powerful, all-knowing god” can exist. I think that is an impossibility. If it is true then he would not do half the things he does in the bible. Like change his mind. Which would be something he would not have to do. Why would I have to go to hell forever for not doing anything against god? If I have a choice then give me the choice with no strings attached.
Wrong. So wrong. I don’t think god can exist and act the way he acts. The two ideas are incompatible with each other. I know you contribute god as being supernatural and all that. But if god can exist the way the bible tells us then why should he care if I believe in him or not. Why would he want some of us to kill others? Why does he lie to us in the bible? The bible is made by man and it shows it if you should read and recognize the lies that are in it. Its is true that I don’t like the rules that god gave us. I bet you don’t like them also. I’m not going to kill my child just because they talk back to me. Would you? If not then you are not doing what god tells you to do. I think it is absurd that an all-loving god would tell us to kill our own children. That goes against the idea of an all loving god. Don’t you think?
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Post by guerrillasaint on Feb 26, 2005 22:57:25 GMT -5
Hi there ;D
I believe everyone has a talent there are just different talents. Now I don't know everything and I am not going to pretend that I do know but the insain probably are there so other people can help them. Now this is me just speculating so I don't know.
When you reject God it hurts him because he love you. No matter what you say or do he will always love you. I know you don't think that God can love you because he will send you to hell but he does. My parents love me but If I killed someone and they knew it they would make sure I went to jail. God just wants you to love him. If you don't love him then you obviouslly you don't want to be with him. So if you don't want to be with him then your place is in hell.
Would you show me a lie that God told. When did God tell us to kill our children becasue they back talked or disobeyed us? I understand Gods laws and if I don't I will ask and study and try to find out why the law is the law.
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Post by solidsquid on Feb 27, 2005 0:58:11 GMT -5
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Post by guerrillasaint on Feb 27, 2005 19:25:35 GMT -5
all right I checked it out. It is wrong. let me begin. Now I only did a few becasue I don't think that you would want to sit through all the holes I can poke in to everything that person talked about.
Able's dead animals were his best. He sacrifice his very best to god. Cains veggies were not his best he kept that for himself. God doesn't want any of your left overs. That is why he liked Ables sacrifice I repeat sacrifice better than Cains
God's system in the begining was good. He told Adam and Eve that they could eat anything they wanted to eat except that one tree. So they decied to eat off of that tree. Since they disobeyed they had to leave the garden.
God didn't tell Cain to murder his brother. He did that all by himself. Cain was also punished for murdering his brother.
Now I don't know what happens to animals after they die. Since god hasn't said he was displeased with them then it is possible they went to heaven if they go to heaven. I don't know if they go to heaven or not.
Well I am pretty sure I could do that to the rest of those scriptures If you want me to I will. Have a nice day.
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