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Post by guerrillasaint on Mar 4, 2005 16:28:06 GMT -5
Hello
Necroshine sorry I have been spelling your name wrong for a very long time. Sorry I have been know to not be very observant which is kind of funny since I am studying art.
Yeah I may have been dancing around that answer so I will collect my thoughts and give a better answer later.
Still wouldn't you say that we have a higher level of contousness than guerrillas, or dolphines.
Enuffalready
Some fundlmentalist are really wrong about a lot of things. They may believe in God but they think it goes aginst the things the Bible says. See Genesis was written for people who didn't have a complex understanding of science so it is smiplistic. I would say that some fundlmentalist selectively read the Bible. Also they may not even read it. They may just be believeing what someone has told them and never went back to the bible to see it It is true or not. That is dangerous.
I think it is also fear that drive some of them.
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Post by solidsquid on Mar 4, 2005 16:58:57 GMT -5
Solidsquid Hey what do you do for a living? Just wondering if you don’t want to say that is cool with me. I'm an IT Lab Assistant while I work on my degree in biopsychology. I said Bonobos, not Baboons. We're not as close to Baboons. Bonobos are chimpanzees. Our cautiousness? There are plenty of animals that exhibit caution in their behavior. You probably meant consciousness. What we term consciousness in respect to higher cognitive processes exhibit by humans is simply an emergent property of of neurofunctioning. Instead of me explaining it in detail, to understand how this came about try Stephen Mithen's The Prehistory of the Mind. Our abstract ideas are not completely only relegated to us. Chimps also show planning and thought to solve problems, that is abstract thinking. Audesirk, T., Audesirk, G., & Byers, B. (2002). Biology: Life on earth (6th ed.) Upper Saddle River: Prentice Hall. From - Drickamer, L., Vessey, S., & Jakob, E. (2002). Animal behavior (5th ed.), New York: McGraw-Hill. No, I said multi-verse. It's part of the calculations of string-theory which give implications for the beginning of our universe through the collision of membranes or D-branes in a multi-verse. It also has implications for 11 dimensions. Try looking here - superstringtheory.com/Why? Morals are simply social constructs. If we lived isolated, solitary lives, it really wouldn't matter what we did...all there is to hurt is us, no one else. Morals are set up around the utilitarian ideal of promotion of "good" for the most of the social group. To take what I wanted would also preclude everyone else to do the same, this serves only to promote chaos and not order with the social clade. Not "everything" is chance, you seem to have this false dichotomy in thinking that's it's "all or nothing" which is incorrect. Social groups arose for protection and perpetuation of the group, to throw this group into chaos would serve to undermine the whole basis for the existence of the group itself.
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Post by Enuffalready on Mar 4, 2005 18:46:39 GMT -5
Enuffalready Some fundlmentalist are really wrong about a lot of things. They may believe in God but they think it goes aginst the things the Bible says. See Genesis was written for people who didn't have a complex understanding of science so it is smiplistic. I would say that some fundlmentalist selectively read the Bible. Also they may not even read it. They may just be believeing what someone has told them and never went back to the bible to see it It is true or not. That is dangerous. I think it is also fear that drive some of them. Very true, and I must say that is reason enough to be very leary of these people if not fear them especially with the shocking numbers they have. I'm feeling a little guilty, I don't want people to think that I hate christians or even care that people believe in god. If people want to use religion to guide thier lives and it does actually make them better people, then great. The real problems I have with religion are, when its used in politics, when people try to convert me, and when people take it to such extremes that it actually becomes harmful.
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Post by necroshine on Mar 4, 2005 19:40:38 GMT -5
I use to. Think that. We are the top of the animal kingdom. And all that. But I don’t think we are the only ones with conciseness. We know animals have dreams. We know they love us. And we know they plan things to do. We just happen to be better at it then any other animal on the planet. I think that’s about the only difference. We are the only animal on the planet that can, to a point control our environment. So we can live anywhere. I just don’t see that big of a difference in us and the other animals. Except for the fact that we can build better than all others. You know the physical differences of course. And that makes us as good as we are. Animals greave for the dead. So how much different are we really?
But is that a reason to lie to us? First day he made the light 4th day he made the sun and stars. Isn’t that a little backwards? Plants was made on the 3rd day. One day before the sun.
The moon doesn’t give off light. Plus if its to rule over night why can we see it in the day time?
1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
2:17 "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it."
God told adam two different things. Earlier in the bible he says all trees are good now he says its not. How does an unchanging god change?
1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
This says that man and woman was created at the same time. Then latter eve is created because adam is alone. Which one is the lie? I didn’t mean for this post to be this long. But you got talking about one of my fav. Books of the bible.
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Post by guerrillasaint on Mar 14, 2005 14:05:59 GMT -5
Sorry for taking so long.
Here is the answer.
Genesis is a couple of documents, and that is why some things a repeated. Two German scholars found that in the original document that the people whou wrote it used about three different names for god and that it repeated itself a lot. One of the German scholars was Johann Gottfried Eichhern. Chapter two of genesis may have been written before chapter one of genesis.
God didn't lie.
As I told you during the time that genesis was written down the people didn't have a complex understanding of science. They were also more concerned with who didn't and not how he did it.
The first verse of Genesis just states the God created the Universe
From verse two and on it is talking about the things that happened on earth. When he said let there be light the sunlight could have been visable through the atmosphere.
Now you wondered why he made the sun after he made the earth. By this time the atmosphere is clear and you can see the sun and the moon, and the starts. So now they are there when before they were not.
Also to people who don't know about science the moon looks like it emits isn’t own light.
If you look at Genesis 2:4 you can see that heavens and the earth were made in the same day. So the sun was being made during this first day. So the earth couldn't be rotating on its axis to mark our days. That must mean that God’s days are much longer than ours. So Adam and eve were made on the same day but on God's time not ours.
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Post by necroshine on Mar 15, 2005 6:44:15 GMT -5
I’m sorry but where did you get that? are you making it up? If sunshine could not get through the atmosphere then we would not be able to live on the earth. I’m sorry but you are saying something that is not in the bible.
That is right. People who don’t know about science think all kinds of things. but when we understand science then we know the bible is false. Why go by it? the bible is wrong. why live by it? Even if we didn’t know about science why would god lie to us? There is no reason to do this. when he knows that we will understand science. After all we did bite the apple didn’t we.
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Post by guerrillasaint on Mar 17, 2005 14:39:23 GMT -5
I said the sun was covered up I did not say that no sunlight got through the atmosphere. Also there are organisms that can live without the sun the are called archea Bacteria they are chemosynthetic. Instead of living off the energy from the sun, they live off other chemicals. I got it from the bible and www.accuracyingenesis.com
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Post by SSS on Mar 17, 2005 16:43:59 GMT -5
How much longer?
I've heard Christians say anywhere up to each day consisting of a billion years.
And that's a little insane especially when you take the following into consideration:
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Post by guerrillasaint on Mar 19, 2005 2:50:45 GMT -5
I don't know how much longer I just know it is longer.
this is from my ealier statment
From verse two and on it is talking about the things that happened on earth. When he said let there be light the sunlight could have been visable through the atmosphere.
Now you wondered why he made the sun after he made the earth. By this time the atmosphere is clear and you can see the sun and the moon, and the starts. So now they are there when before they were not. So to them the sun was made at this time
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