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Post by Dragon*of*Heaven on Apr 5, 2005 23:06:12 GMT -5
I have been reading a book for a little while called "The Holy Longing" by Ronald Rolheiser. While reading I came accross a sentence that gave me pause. "I am addressing this book to the poor as jesus did in his teaching." I dont know why it sparked my intrest as i have heard it before but it did for some reason.
Why did Jesus teach primaraly to the poor. Why not all people if he was God. Lets face it if he wanted to affect the sinful there are much better places to go than a field. He could try back streets where prostitutes work. Or perhaps with the polititions after all by public view they are lyers and cheats. So why not?
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Post by SSS on Apr 5, 2005 23:56:27 GMT -5
Probably because he wasn't the messiah. Just some random dude.
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Post by solidsquid on Apr 6, 2005 0:43:55 GMT -5
Why did Jesus teach primaraly to the poor. Desperation is the playground of suggestability? |
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Post by Filter on Apr 6, 2005 10:31:39 GMT -5
Why did Jesus teach primaraly to the poor? Someone might suggest, since the myth was built after the fact, that it limits the ability to check the validity of the account. Even the wealthy have no record of Jesus, how would the poor? |
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Post by guerrillasaint on Apr 14, 2005 9:30:58 GMT -5
He didn't just teach to the poor people, he ministered to a tax collector, a rich man and others like them. He talked to those who were shunned by society; and showed all of those who thougt that they were better than the tax collectors, slaves, women, gentiles ect., that everyone is created equal and has a right to God's love.
He also ministered to the rabbis and the pharisees. They just wouldn't listen to the truth that was giving to them. If he was right then all of the laws that they had made-up would make their laws wrong.
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Post by Dragon*of*Heaven on Apr 23, 2005 0:14:47 GMT -5
They just wouldn't listen to the truth that was giving to them.
Now tell me would you listen to some one who is sitting there telling you that you know nothing. Would you listen to some one who you thought were leading them away from what you belived to be the right path.
Here is an example you are a priest a man comes to your cathedral dressed in wrags. This man tells you that you are not following doing the write things by God and that you have strayed from the path. This man says that the catholic church is wrong and that his way is the correct way.
You would toss him out correct. Now this same man goes on national telelvision and starts denounceing the church and many begin to follow him. (ie straying from what you think is write) What would you do. Answer make a public display of him. Yes is this not true? Unless you are saying that you are perfect, then you would do the same thing. Do not judge lest ye be judged.
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Post by GodsAreUs on Apr 23, 2005 9:14:15 GMT -5
According to some who believe, (and I think it’s mentioned in Stephen King’s novel “IT”), God loves rocks and poor people, that’s why he made so many of them.
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Post by william on May 5, 2005 5:12:29 GMT -5
I have been reading a book for a little while called "The Holy Longing" by Ronald Rolheiser. While reading I came accross a sentence that gave me pause. "I am addressing this book to the poor as jesus did in his teaching." I dont know why it sparked my intrest as i have heard it before but it did for some reason. Why did Jesus teach primaraly to the poor. Why not all people if he was God. Lets face it if he wanted to affect the sinful there are much better places to go than a field. He could try back streets where prostitutes work. Or perhaps with the polititions after all by public view they are lyers and cheats. So why not? He was critisised for hanging out with sinners and prostitutes. He did preach to all people and had very poor as well as rich followers. |
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Post by william on May 5, 2005 5:16:46 GMT -5
Someone might suggest, since the myth was built after the fact, that it limits the ability to check the validity of the account. Even the wealthy have no record of Jesus, how would the poor? no record??? there are several, he is mentioned in the talmad for example. |
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Post by solidsquid on May 5, 2005 10:39:22 GMT -5
no record??? there are several, he is mentioned in the talmad for example. I thought there was still concern over the veracity of the mention in some translations. Just as some of the Josephus items have been raised question about it's authenticity. |
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Post by william on May 5, 2005 16:04:09 GMT -5
I thought there was still concern over the veracity of the mention in some translations. Just as some of the Josephus items have been raised question about it's authenticity. Ive never heard any critisism of the talmud but I have read some pretty reasonable questions raised about one of the josephus quotes. I have read dominic whats his face's book (Jesus seminar) the historical Jesus., if it could be critisised he would. needless to say Im not a fan. |
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Post by Filter on May 6, 2005 14:51:01 GMT -5
no record??? there are several, he is mentioned in the talmad for example. Written in what year? Recorded and cross-referenced during Jesus lifetime? |
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Post by solidsquid on May 6, 2005 15:22:30 GMT -5
Ive never heard any critisism of the talmud but I have read some pretty reasonable questions raised about one of the josephus quotes. I have read dominic whats his face's book (Jesus seminar) the historical Jesus., if it could be critisised he would. needless to say Im not a fan. This page seems to give a fairly decent rundown of the problems with the passages. I have come across more scholarly sources in the past though...but those have long since been buried in my quickly accumulating pile of papers and texts. |
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Post by william on May 7, 2005 14:32:05 GMT -5
Written in what year? Recorded and cross-referenced during Jesus lifetime? No , but can you offer me some vidio of the first critter to crawl out of the primordial ooz? My point of corce is that your setting the bar unreasonably high. Im looking atchapter 5 of The New Evidence That Demands A Verdict by Josh Mcdowel, I count 8 or 9 non christian non jewish sorces. then there are the jewish sorces. wich considering the rabid atempts by the various ceasers to destroy all things Christian including the Christians themselves, I think thats pretty good for establishing the historosity of the Man. |
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Post by william on May 7, 2005 14:35:01 GMT -5
This page seems to give a fairly decent rundown of the problems with the passages. I have come across more scholarly sources in the past though...but those have long since been buried in my quickly accumulating pile of papers and texts. was there suposed to be a link with that? actualy acrding to Josh Mcdowel some of the talmudic references are better than others. |
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