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Post by argexpat on May 17, 2004 19:11:51 GMT -5
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Post by Griffey on May 17, 2004 20:30:08 GMT -5
Woah, someone call the FDA, this bitterness is off the charts I love it. It's excellent. And so true. I might memorize it and start saying it under my breath during pledge time!
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Post by Hilly on May 17, 2004 20:49:12 GMT -5
Well, sorry but I find it mostly cynical. The United States is not perfect, but still is a great country deserving of some respect. I don't believe this pledge reflects that.
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Post by nonny on May 18, 2004 8:50:13 GMT -5
I agree hilly. Even though I think it would take a really long time to say this pledge.
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Post by Franc28 on May 18, 2004 10:43:09 GMT -5
Well, sorry but I find it mostly cynical. The United States is not perfect, but still is a great country deserving of some respect. Since when ?
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Post by Maverick on May 18, 2004 15:10:05 GMT -5
argexpat, I noticed that you posted a thread with this message in the Expressive Outlet & Multimedia section. Please be aware that posting the same message multiple times is considered spamming and isn't allowed at this board.
If you think you've posted something in the wrong section, feel free to ask one of the mods or myself to move the thread to the appropriate section.
Also, a belated welcome to the board, argexpat. I look forward to hearing more from you in the future.
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Post by pieisgood on May 19, 2004 11:24:46 GMT -5
I agree with Hilly's stance (that the US isn't all bad), but I still think it's more in good fun than to insult it. We make fun of GWB, for example, all the time, but he's done something good (there was that time in '82).
I disagree with the message, but I think it's pretty funny. It might be tough to talk fast enough to say it during the pledge, but that's never stopped me before!
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Post by Yaw on May 19, 2004 12:59:49 GMT -5
pieisgood There was? Is there documented proof of this? At any rate, argexpat forgot to mention some reference to the Civil War after "indivisible". Otherwise, this reminds me a lot of the Royal Canadian Air Farce's "Politically Correct Stories" sketches.
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Post by AuntieSocial on May 19, 2004 19:38:29 GMT -5
Well, I find the whole idea of a loyalty oath ridiculous ... and I did get a few giggles out of the offering above.
Yaw is correct ... there should be some mention of the Civil War, the Amerindian situation or the Civil Rights situations when they mention indivisible.
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Post by Hilly on May 19, 2004 20:29:09 GMT -5
Well maybe I need to lighten up a bit, If it (this pledge)was meant as satire OK. on May 17th, 2004, 9:49pm, Hilly wrote: The United States is not perfect, but still is a great country deserving of some respect. Personally speaking, I've felt this way since I can remember being aware of my neighbour to the south, so mostly my whole life.
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Post by Maverick on May 27, 2004 19:16:12 GMT -5
I think it's pretty funny and makes its intended point. It ridicules the entire concept behind pledges by re-defining the words in the Pledge of Allegiance. I agree that doing something with "indivisible" would've been good. Though the Civil War is not the only example of when our nation is divided, it might be the best one. Well, sorry but I find it mostly cynical. The United States is not perfect, but still is a great country deserving of some respect. I don't believe this pledge reflects that. Hilly, are you referring more to the general U.S. population when you say that this is a country that is still deserving some respect? Or are you referring to the political system? I agree hilly. Even though I think it would take a really long time to say this pledge. It would, but I don think it was a pledge that was meant to be spoken. If it was, then prepare to take a deep breath before you start!
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Post by Hilly on May 29, 2004 11:34:29 GMT -5
Hilly, are you referring more to the general U.S. population when you say that this is a country that is still deserving some respect? Or are you referring to the political system? Both. As argexpat pointed out the populace of the US is racially diverse, I think thats a good thing. Canada is very racially diverse as well. I am not convinced however about the part stated that the US is being "ruled by an entrenched white elite" or the bit about the flag representing "corporate plutocracy" I find those statements unjustified. I can't speak to the political system, other than to say its a democracy that seems to be working well, with a system of checks and balances. An ongoing process open to change. I tend to look at the United States as a country with a great responsibility of having, perhaps, the unenviable position of being the world super power and all the responsibility that comes with that. Not an easy task. But I think their up to it, whereas say China or Russia are not.
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Post by nonny on May 29, 2004 15:44:42 GMT -5
UM hilly were you saying that the US is a democracy?? BEcuase it is a Republic "And to the Republic for which it stands" (irony quoteing the pledge here).
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Post by Franc28 on May 29, 2004 18:36:28 GMT -5
UM hilly were you saying that the US is a democracy?? BEcuase it is a Republic "And to the Republic for which it stands" (irony quoteing the pledge here). *Someone* has been sleeping under a rock since WW2...
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Post by AuntieSocial on May 30, 2004 8:07:41 GMT -5
UM hilly were you saying that the US is a democracy?? BEcuase it is a Republic "And to the Republic for which it stands" (irony quoteing the pledge here). nonny, you are correct. The USA is considered a "Citizenship Republic", but, as Hilly pointed out, they have strong democratic tradition. According to the CIA World Factbook, the U.S.A.'s government system is a "Constitution-based federal republic; strong democratic tradition" Portrait of the USA states in Chapter 4: Couples Company has a couple of articles that may be of interest: Definition of DemocracyThe article goes into greater details, but this following passage applies to the political system in the USA. Definition of a RepublicAnd since we are on the topic of satire ... I found this on one the Couples Company website:
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