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Post by necroshine on Jun 12, 2006 5:40:41 GMT -5
Keeping with my god, he sees all the futures. Everything that can happen or has the potential to happen he can see it. You have to choose what choices you make. Nothing is decided yet. Only what can happen in any one given situation.
I agree only one earth. But god is great. He can create many worlds to preside over to show the people how to live. Like he does here. People could be going around all over the universe telling others that they need to follow jesus. Isn’t that the greatest thing.
I’m not going to be dead. I have life waiting for me after I pass from this place.
If I would to take my eyes off the road I will not be able to see the road. Do you make that a practice in real life? I hope you don’t drive on the roads where I live. I guess that is why we call your type blind………
And I may check out that book. Thanks for telling me about it.
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Post by nonny on Jun 13, 2006 21:27:06 GMT -5
It's not taking yours eyes off the road, it's taking them off the big picture....like in stead of concentrating on the highway across the entire state you concentrating on this one city you are currently pasing through. But I'd rather think of this life and not the "after-life" because I could survive hell if i had great memories of poeple i love and poeple that love me, so I htink you can still have morals and not believe in god though. And doesn't god want faith and morals.....but would he send you to hell for not having faith? I don't know that is his decision.
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Post by necroshine on Jun 14, 2006 5:29:25 GMT -5
When we die we will not have memories of this world. We will become new again. When you are in hell you might not know why you are there. But you will be there all the same. Same thing goes with heaven. “all the former things will be passed away” we will be one family in Christ.
If god tells us what is morally correct, and you do something different then you can not be acting in a moral way. My morals and god go hand in hand. You can not have one without the other. Yes god would send you to hell for not having faith in him. How do you think you will get to hell? oh and stay away from mixed fibers in your closes you know the 50/50 mix of cotton and polyester, and shrimp. That will also send you to hell.
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Post by nonny on Jun 15, 2006 21:32:18 GMT -5
hmm i always thought that the point of hell was to look bad on the mistakes you made and suffer with them forever....if you are basically born anew then that means you have no sins and everyone would go to heaven. So if you have no memories of the past life then you would have no reason to suffer in hell or have extreme bliss in heaven, it would be totally based on how much god liked you and not on your actions because you wouldn't have any. So therefore why should be fear hell? And also what happens if you make all the wrong choices throughout your life and hten on your death bed you repent, according to christianity/catholism you are saved am i correct? So where does it say that you have to be clean your whole life when really all you have to do is not kill and one and then repent right before you die. It all seems so pointless, imho.
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Post by necroshine on Jun 16, 2006 5:48:53 GMT -5
The point of hell is to punish the devil and all the people who side with him. If your not for god then you are against him. Even if you don’t remember what you did while on earth it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen, does it? Hitler might not remember what he done on earth be we are still suffering from what he did. Don’t you think he should pay for what he did? Plus the bible says that all things will be passed away in heaven it doesn’t say about hell.
Death bed repentance works if you do believe. I think that half the people who repent close to death they are only doing it because they are scared and not because they believe in god. That person will not enter heaven. You have to believe in god with your heart or it doesn’t work. Plus if you die suddenly like in a car accident or a stroke then you don’t have time to repent. You are instantly on “the highway to hell.” good luck buddy. Plus how many people who do repent next to death do you think means it? I’m sure some does but not all.
If life seams pointless then why do you continue to live? Take yourself out now and see who is correct. As for me I want to do gods work and change the mind of everyone on earth because I know they are wrong they just need to see this. That is why I’m here.
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Post by nonny on Jun 16, 2006 9:01:32 GMT -5
Life isn't pointless, religion is what seems pointless. And if you are siding with the devil why would he punish you? But being punished for something you don't know you did is stupid the point of punishment is to relize what you did wrong right? So if you don't remember what you did and you can't fix the error in judgement then what is the point of caring because you can never fix it. I personaly would just rather live it up so that when i die I know I have no regrets even though I apparently won't remember it in hell I will know that it was worth it.
Not believing in one thing doesn't mean you believe in the other because technically if you don't believe in god then you can't believe in the devil because you have to believe in both or else it is a paradox. But it god is upset over someone not beleiveing in him then he truly is a kid over an ant hill with a magnifying glass.
The repentance was just and example it's wasn't a foolproof "plan" just an example of the pointlessness of it all.
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Post by necroshine on Jun 17, 2006 6:50:03 GMT -5
Noony, this is getting hard for me to debate…. But I will still try.
Life isn’t pointless…
Of course it is not. Not to a Christian we have something to look forward to. We are spreading gods word around, and bringing people closer to god. We will get to heaven one fine day.
Oh hell isn’t about fixing what you did on earth. Hell is about punishing the evil. There will be no earth to go back to so you can not fix anything. Hell is just to keep the people away from us good people, who don’t want to be near god. Hell is punishment not repentance. That is why you are here. You have a chance to repent now. When you find yourself in hell it will be too late.
You don’t have to believe in the devil to side with him. How many people side with bush but don’t like every decision he makes. Or all the people who was on hitlers side but knew what he was doing was bad.
When you have kids and you get mad at them are you being small? Why can’t god get upset with us? Just like a father and son god tells us what to do and when we think we know better he will be upset with us. There is nothing wrong with that. Would you want to change your child to do what you said like a robot or do you want to raise a child with a will of their own?
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Post by nonny on Jun 17, 2006 16:08:34 GMT -5
I never said life was pointless, life is the whole reason you are alive it is in my opinion all you should worry about. You should worry about the here and now, not what some diety will think of you in 80 years. The idea of spending your whole life trying to get into heaven just seems pointless and trivial to me. And I don't beleive in god therefore the devil doesn't exist either because he was supposedly created by god. I can't/won't agree with something that doesn't exist. Your examples could make sense but that is fear or trust, not belief. And you can't side with something that doesn't exist.
But also you assume I'm a bad person, I'm not an evil person I just don't believe in one all seeing diety. So it seems the god doesn't care if you are good and in heaven just whether or not you won't corrupt his flock. But if and when I have kids they will think for themselves and I will not punish them for it unless it harms another like setting a house on fire(over exaggeration) and i will be proud if they think for them selves and embrace it not punish them for haveing different ideas. Because if you punish an idea then you are hindering free thought which is what I believe the concept of god does.
(this isn't what I believe just what i've thought of)
God punishes a set group of poeple right? nonbelievers and wrong doers that havn't repented. Well Hitler punished the jews, homoesexuals and i believe blacks. So what truly is the difference that makes god good and hitler bad?
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Post by necroshine on Jul 4, 2006 6:42:44 GMT -5
wouldn't this be true with or without a god?
there are only so many solutions to a problem only so many actions to any situation. so you are always limited in what you can do.
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Post by nonny on Jul 16, 2006 0:56:17 GMT -5
Your only limited in what you think you can do with in the boundries of morals and science. It's true with out without a god but without a god atleast you aren't being judge by someone/thing you don't know.
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Post by snafui on Jul 16, 2006 18:39:01 GMT -5
You can you just need to get distracted like shown to you in The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy  If God does exist and didn't create other worlds for life to exist then what is the point of having such a large universe with countless galaxies? And actually if you look at it mathematically life does not exist: There are a finite number of planets that contain life, because not every planet can have living organisms, hence: Finite planets with life = n The universe is vast and cannot have an end to it, or at least not known, with an endless supply of planets, hence: Infinite planets = I (can't use the symbol, so for this we will use this letter) n/I = 0 Any number divided by infinity is equal to zero... therefore there is no life in the universe... How is the Devil evil? He's just someone that disagreed with God and was rejected for doing so. So, if you disagree with God you are automatically evil? That does not bode well for life in general. And if God created us for company, the Devil will wind up with a lot more friends. |
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Post by necroshine on Jul 17, 2006 5:37:05 GMT -5
That would be wrong. There are not an infinite number of planets. Just because you don’t know how many there are does not mean there are a never ending supply of them. There are only so many planets out in space. So your math has to say that life does exist.
Ok now to put on my god hat… where is it? Ok I found it. Time for you to be able to crap twice as much.
The simple answer is YES. You get angry at your children for not following what you say. You made them and they don’t listen so you get mad. Why can’t god do the same thing? You don’t kill your children but gods stakes are much higher. And with higher stakes you wager more.
I’m not sure why god created us. I don’t know for sure that he did it for company. If he did I would like to know where it says that.
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Post by Dragon*of*Heaven on Jul 17, 2006 8:16:59 GMT -5
Nice statement but it dosent show us how the devil is evil just diobedient, after all would you call the child in your senario evil? I dont think you would,so please answer this better. PS im looking for a little more than the Bible says so or my preist/minister etc told me so. A littel out of the box, or shall we say in this instance out of the book thinking would be appreciated.
It is a populer deduction from the cristion/ catholic belife in that God needs nothing and therefor did not need to creat us. However it is prevelently stated in the bibel that God created us as servants to woship him. It says that in the begining man was dumb and only capeabel of worsiping his master. In this light Lusifel/Lusifer/Saten/Devil can actualy be seen as a great liberator to human kind from the harsh rule of a monsterous God
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Post by nonny on Jul 17, 2006 15:06:58 GMT -5
Plus god didn't kill the devil seeing as he was already dead, and when you punish your kid you ussually forgive them correct? So i think in that sense we are better off then the almighty infallible god, becuase unlike him we can forgive our own creations with out making them suffer in hell for it forever.
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Post by Dragon*of*Heaven on Jul 17, 2006 15:17:27 GMT -5
Um Nonny where dose the story say that the devil died?
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