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Post by guerrillasaint on Feb 5, 2006 11:40:43 GMT -5
Thinking alone will not lead you to God.
Still, God doesn't want us to be mindless and believe whatever comes across our path. So let say I am in church and the pastor says something that doesn't fit with what I think is right. I have to study and meditate over the word in order to see what is right.
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Post by necroshine on Feb 8, 2006 6:30:57 GMT -5
So what does your meditation tell you about clear contradictions that are in the bible? I had to put a bible verse on a product the other day. It said to condemn the people who talk against you. Why is an all loving god telling you to condemn people? While it is a direct contradiction of what jesus did.
Correct!! It lead me away from god. And I’m much better for it.
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Post by guerrillasaint on Feb 8, 2006 20:09:19 GMT -5
What Contradiction are you talking about?
what bible verse were you talking about?
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Post by audioinput on Feb 20, 2006 12:37:29 GMT -5
Also, why would you want me to hurt. Right now I would have to say I am very happy and blessed. So if you really wanted to turn me into and Atheist you would have to show me something spectacular ( and I am not playing). Also why do you need me to be an Atheist. If I am like what you all say that I am living my life in ignorance why does it matter that I believe or not? Um, I guess being happy and misguided isn't really bad, as long as you keep your odd ideas away from thinking people. It's kind of like seeing a kid with mental retardation, no offense intended. If somebody said that it was due to an illness, and the cure was a medicine, would you give it to him?? Even if you knew he was deliriously happy in his retarded state, and would likely instead suffer the concerns and struggles of life if he were normal? I would give him the medicine, so that he could live a normal life. And to you, I would give reason. I'm sorry if the truth hurts you, takes you out of your blissful ignorance. But I wouldn't wish such ignorance on anyone.
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Post by vertigo on Feb 20, 2006 14:16:56 GMT -5
Well said, Audioinput. Knowledge is always better than ignorance, even if it's knowledge of something you can't change.
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Post by guerrillasaint on Feb 20, 2006 16:28:42 GMT -5
Why would I want your normal life when I am living an extrodanary life?
Still enlighten my exsitance Audioinput or Vertigo or anyone. What makes your life without God so wonderful? Why should I live that way. Please disprove my belief.
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Post by vertigo on Feb 20, 2006 22:33:33 GMT -5
We live honestly.
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Post by necroshine on Feb 21, 2006 6:31:50 GMT -5
i don’t live that double standard anymore. You have to love god over all others, When most people don’t. You have to turn people around to god. That only turns people against each other. It would be much better for people around the world to pool the resources together instead to pointing a finger saying my sky buddy is better than yours. I would think god would had seen that and not put it in the bible but of course there is no god. While you think you will go to heaven and live forever drinking tea and singing songs about how god is so great. While some of your loved ones burn in hell forever. Only because they did not believe. Not that they was bad people, they just did not believe in your god. They might had believed in another god but that is just as wrong as being an atheist and you will burn for it. Do you think you can be happy in heaven with the knowledge that good people are being tortured in hell because that didn’t kiss the correct ass. What about you? Are you a good person? Do you live your life not taking advantage of others? Do you do good things for strangers? Do you try to live your life in peace? Now do you think you should go to hell, say if alha is the correct god, Just because you was born into a family of heathens and was brought up in the wrong path of life? Bottom line. There are 100’s of religions out there. The odd that you are in the correct one is slim. In fact if you want to look at it I would say that the Hindu is the correct one because it’s the oldest one still going. Wouldn’t you think god would have laid down the correct one to begin with and all other ones that followed would be incorrect? Double standards is all it is, I will have no part of it. “love one another, but gays and people of other religions are going to burn in hell” get your head out of the sand.
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Post by guerrillasaint on Feb 22, 2006 2:18:51 GMT -5
So have your removed all other double standards that you see in your life?
Why do you govern your faith on the action of other people?
I don't have to turn people to God I just have to tell the about Him/her/it. He said be fishers of Men, which means put the word out there because no one can make anyone do anything.
In the end we are all responsible for our own actions and everyone will have a chance to accept God or not. At the same time God will not hold anyone responsible for information they have not received. So as long as who ever God is try to talk to continue to be perceptive of God's call and answer then all will be good. Yes it is going to hurt if someone I know goes to hell and I had the chance to tell him or her about God and I didn't. I will be responsible for not telling them but in the end it is their choice wither they want to believe or not. That is why I try to tell those I love about God I want them to be there with me.
Everyday I try to do God's will but sometimes I choose to do my will. I am not perfect and I don't pretend to be. I have pride and selfishness and a list that is too long to go into. Still, I see that and I try to overcome that. When I see that in myself I can in turn see that in other and not hold their actions against them. I am much more forgiving than I used to be because I can see that people make mistakes and it is hard to do the right thing. Truly trusting in God is a self-evaluating because I have Jesus to compare myself to and if I'm not doing it just like he did then I have work to do. To society I am a good person because I used to volunteer, I respect my parents, I respect my elders and the list goes on. If you asked my closet friends and family they would say I was a good person. Still good isn't going to keep anyone out of Hell.
If Allah is god then yeah I deserve to go to hell because I didn't believe him. Still I think there hell is more about merit then belief (I am not totally sure). Also you only stay in hell for the duration of your deeds. So if you are a little bad you stay in hell for a little bit. That is why they do holy war because they get some major brownie points.
God did say the path to heaven was narrow.
Are you sure because you would only be able to go on the text but the practice could have been going on longer or shorter than Judaism. It would all depend on when someone learned how to write and then decided to write it down.
He did when he made Adam and eve. To be truthful I don't think God is that worried about religion what he wants is that you believe him and love him. Which means going out of your way even if it is inconvenient to you to make him happy. He expects that because he did the same.
There are some gay people going to heaven.
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dunamos
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Post by dunamos on Feb 22, 2006 2:23:40 GMT -5
So no part of your life is a lie? You never lie?
What do you measure yourself up against Vertigo, Necroshine?
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Post by vertigo on Feb 22, 2006 4:35:20 GMT -5
No one is perfect. Theism is innately dishonest, we live honestly in comparison.
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Post by necroshine on Feb 22, 2006 6:51:59 GMT -5
I did not say that. I was perfect. You on the other hand say that you compare yourself to jesus who was perfect but yet your not. Why? That is the double standard I’m talking bout.
To base my faith on the action of god would be in error. One hand he loves us without end. On the other he has killed us many times because he runs out of patience. He doesn’t deserve our faith.
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dunamos
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Post by dunamos on Feb 23, 2006 23:22:20 GMT -5
- When you find that some part of your life is less than honest do you correct it?
- How do you know that what your are doing is honest?
- What standard do you live by?
( Just you Vertigo don't compare your life to any theist life)
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Post by vertigo on Feb 24, 2006 6:07:04 GMT -5
I try to be honest because this is the only life I have and honesty is preferrable. If I was to meet God on judgement day, I would want to be able to say "I was generally honest". In other words, I live to a moral standard.
Honesty is generally rewarding. One lie leads to another. If I feel I have something to hide, I check to see whether I am being dishonest.
I live by the standard of objective morality. Unless you are arguing against standards, there is no reason for me not to say faith is dishonest.
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Post by necroshine on Feb 24, 2006 6:08:57 GMT -5
hello dunamos., do us a favor. please answer the same question you ask of us. so we know where you are coming from. it would help me to understand you better. let us know who you are.
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