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Post by necroshine on Jan 16, 2005 18:17:09 GMT -5
It was a real dream. But nothing past that. It just reassures my stance in my life. God is made up by men, that is why he has changed his mind and looks like a monster in the bible. To me at least.
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Post by Godislove on Feb 26, 2005 15:27:06 GMT -5
Hello necroshine,
I would like to say that i have seen miracles in front of my face. i have seen God working in my life in all phases and in others lives in miraculous ways. i hate religion, because it killed jesus christ. the prophets and pharisees who knew the bible by heart called jesus a blaspheemer.religion caused you to think about God the way you do now. I was called by God to come on this site to clear up some things about him that many athiests, christians, and even preachers have said in regards to God. first and foremost, God wants a relationship with his creation. God wants to reveal himself to us but we need to put work into it. the way you have a relationship with him is through prayer. i dont mean for you to pray religiously, saying the same things everynight before you go to sleep. the prayer im talking about is talking to God!! about your problems, about your situations so that he can help you. God wants you to know that the only way to fully understand his word, is while having a relationship with him. if you do not pray, the devil will use your intellect to make you disunderstand Gods meanings to his words! if you have read the bible, which i have, you would understand, that there are two worlds. our natural world, and the spiritual world. God wants us a believers in christ to understand the spiritual world (the things of the spirit) over the our natural world (the things of the flesh.) depending on where you stand in this either world is critical to how much god will work in your life or not. I can go up to a person and lay my hands on them and they fall right in front of you, but because you dont see things in the spirit, you will think its fake. i know this. because i was the same. i used to think Gods miracles were coinsidence, and lies, and that they came from our brain! but then i saw a tumor shrink right before my eyes and i thought differently. the problem with humanity is that everything is here say heresay, youare right, there arent alot of christians who study the word anymore, and thats not good. God wants a relationship with his creation.
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Post by necroshine on Feb 26, 2005 18:40:02 GMT -5
Hello godislove, I’m sure you feel god work in your life. it’s a personal thing. I use to be a christian and I talked to god a lot. I don’t know what you consider “miraculous ways” but I’m sure you have your own definitions. I have mine.
Glad to see we have something in common. I hate religion also. But if it wasn’t for your religion then you would not know your god. Isn’t that true? God does not exist outside religion. God killed jesus. He sent him down to die. We had to kill jesus. If we did not then we would had went against gods wishes. Man had no choice in the matter. Jesus was hung on the cross the moment he was born into this earth. That was his destiny. Being that he can not nail himself up on the cross someone had to do it. So I don’t see where you get that religion killed jesus when we was just doing what god wanted to happen.
Why don’t god tell me himself? He talked to many people in the bible. Is it outside his power to talk to me? If he talked to you why will he not talk to me? What makes you think you can clear up all the lies that are in the bible? Do you know the answers to the questions that are in the bible? You must know more than anyone. Why are you here? You should be on tv.
I did all that in my youth. I use to talk to god all the time. I still had an empty feeling. I have been baptized, I knew I was saved with the blood of christ. I went to church every week. But the more I read the bible the more questions and stupid commands that I found in it. What you say will work I say will not. Not with me. So why does god show himself to you and he didn’t me? I stopped lying to myself I would suggest you do the same thing.
The devil is not using me. Despite what you may think. Please tell me why your god is the right god. Why is ahla is the wrong god?
If god wants a relationship with me show yourself. That is all I ask. I will not lie to myself and just say that he is real.
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Post by solidsquid on Feb 26, 2005 21:56:51 GMT -5
Those are a lot of bold assertions godislove, upon what basis should we believe what you say is fact?
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Post by Godislove on Feb 27, 2005 1:08:14 GMT -5
to necroshine, it seems that you do not comprehend well my response on religion. i said i hate it yet you say my "religion"! the reason why i say i hate religion is because it is damned. the problem with the world today is that there are so called "church" words, and religion is one of them. i dont only hate religion, but God hates it aswell. Necroshine, i understand from what you posted that you had a relationship with God, well, if that is true then why do you see lies in the same bible i read? you think your mind was opened up to see these so called "lies" when in reality the enemy used that little bit of sin you still had in your life while being a believer to his advantage so you would stop being a believer. this could be true, right? i mean, doesnt the bible talk about an enemy who wants to destroy gods creation? obviously you have no understanding of the spiritual world to fully comprehend why Jesus was sacrificed on the cross. like i said in the previous thread, there is much more to God than you think. I live in south florida! a breeding ground for santeria, and witchcraft. its a custom to see heads of animals on the floor when you are walking on the streets at times. i used to ask myself as a child why this was so. God gave me that answer not too long ago. the spiritual world works in sacrifices!!! it is taught from santeria and witchcraft, that when you sacrifice an animal, you gain power in the spiritual world. did you know that back in the old testament before jesus came to the world, the only way for God to forgive sin was through the believer passing his sin by his hand to the animal and sacrificing it? it is mind boggling if you see how close these rituals resemble one another. and this goes on today by santeros and brujeros, or witches. you see the devil is a copycat of God! why? because there are limitations in the spirit world that must be followed. God is a God of ORDER, and he needed jesus to become the sacrifice for humanity, so that the devils spiritual bonds on the earth would be broken and we as believers could have eternal life!!!! these are obviously new subjects and discussions to those who do not understand God in the spirit, and this is pivotal to all believers to understand so they will not fall easily. Necroshine, the devil wants to destroy you, if you recieved jesus in your heart, the devil is trying even more to hunt you down. i dont say this to get you scared, but it is just true. i have seen people who have been possessed and have no control, i have seen spiritual manifistations of the devil come right out normal people who underwent exorcisms in my church. its a spiritual war. a war people cannot heart nor taste nor touch. it is a war in the spirit world. this is why god tells you to worry more about the things of the spirit than of the flesh!
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Post by Godislove on Feb 27, 2005 1:16:38 GMT -5
to solidsquid,
these bold assertations are not mines, but the holy spirit typing through my hands! it may seem odd to read this because you do not fully understand the spirit of God, but it just is my freind. what can i say, i was shown what i was shown, and learned what i have learned, and i want all of you to know that this is real! there is a real hell and a real heaven. there is a real battle going on beyond what our five senses can sense! the devil hates you and every bit of creation god made. the devil is gods negative. and he will do all he can to decieve everyone on this earth to stand clear of God! it is my job and every other believers job to remove the vails from the spiritual eyes of the people of this world. it is our job to fight the devil away from his lies on makind. God says in his word that the violent will obtain the kingdom of heaven. this violence means praying with force against the enemy. speaking in other toungues, breaking chains in the spiritual world. the question is, do you want to help the good or the bad? it is your choice!
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Post by solidsquid on Feb 27, 2005 2:54:49 GMT -5
How am I to discern whether your claims are real and not the claims of others who purport to know the truth but is not in line with what you know? How am I to know that what you state is fact and not something such as serotonin receptor abnormalities?
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Post by necroshine on Feb 27, 2005 10:11:43 GMT -5
So you are telling us that god told us to write a book and follow it. but yet it is damned to fail? What is wrong with you? That would mean that god is as bad as I say and you agree. Then why do you believe in god, If you can go to hell if you believe in him? That doesn’t even make sense.
The bible says the earth is on pillars. Would you say that is a lie? I would. The bible says that there is one mountain that you can see all the kingdoms on earth. I call that a lie. God says he loves us all, but yet he told us to go to war and kill each other. You are blinded to what is in the bible.
Can god not stop the devil? Is it outside his power?
Why does something have do die for god to forgive us? He is all loving isn’t he? but yet we have to kill something for the forgiveness that he wants to give us? Wtf? I will not follow a god that is willing to kill his own son. I shudder as to think what he will do to me.
Are you catholic? Don’t talk to me about possessed people. I will stop you at every turn. People in the bible use to say people who had what we know as a mind disorder nothing more to be possessed by the devil. My mom had a problem. She had an invisible friend. I know exactly what goes into brain disorders and depression. No one and I mean NO ONE is possessed by the devil. Why would an all loving god even allow that to happen? You are a fool.
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Post by Enuffalready on Feb 28, 2005 3:57:49 GMT -5
I can go up to a person and lay my hands on them and they fall right in front of you. I'm skeptical. In Fact if you're ever in the seattle area and can lay your hands on ME and make ME fall right in front of you I will have no choice to belive in your miracle and devote my life to christ. See the problem here is not that we dont see the things in the spirit, but the fact that all of these "miracles" you claim are always done to someone else, its second hand, but if you could do that to me then you'd have something. And this is not an exact quote but loosley as I believe it was Thomas Paine who said that a revelation is first hand, and all after that is just hearsay. I apologize for not looking up the exact quote.
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Post by Godislove on Feb 28, 2005 13:02:46 GMT -5
to necroshine,
You STILL think that religion has to do with God when it does NOT! you answer questions and you dont even understand! oh im sorry, i forgot that athiests do that all the time! ok, it was my fault, i should explain better to those who say they understand, but obviously dont. first off, the reason why religion is not of God, is because its a MAN MADE WAY of worshipping God. religion tells you that you HAVE to do this and that to get into heaven or you wont. if you have read some of the bible, then you have seen some of the things that God tells us not to do, and it is almost impossible for a christian, let alone an athiest. Jesus said that even if you look at a woman lustfully, you have committed adultery in your heart and have sinned! yet God tells us to be perfect like him. You see, to a person without spiritual knowledege, that seems like a contradiction and impossible. but to those who have a relationship with jesus christ, they look to jesus' sacrifice to help them. to every human being on this earth, God is targetting there heart!!!!! because God knows that once he changes your heart, then doing the things he asks is not difficult. but you have to open your heart to him, with a relationship. it is our lack of spirituallity that has made this earth what it is today!!! a spiritual relationship with God is THE most important aspect of life. cause when you have that, you are complete! as much as you want to act like a hard a** you know that you have something missing inside of you. you have insecurity in your life whether you want to shut it off or not because of the fact is that science or any intellegence on this earth cannot tell you where you are going when you die!!! so you dont know! so who is more of the fool, at least i know where i am going!
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Post by Godislove on Feb 28, 2005 13:29:59 GMT -5
to necroshine,
you really do not understand the spiritual world. so let me help you out. God wants all of us to worry more about the spirit than of the flesh. You see necroshine, everything you see and hear and smell and touch and taste in this world is what you preoccupy with (the natural world). and God does not want that. he wants you to look beyond your five senses. the devil blinds you by completely shutting off that sixth sense (the spiritual world) all humans are supposed to have through a relationship with God. there are two testaments in the bible, the old testament and the new testament. these testaments are also referred to as coventants to God. Gods old covenant gave the ten commandments which told you if you killed (physically) than you sinned. he then told humanity that the only way you could be forgiven of sin was to sacrifice an animal! of course this seems like a mean thing to do now, but hello, what do you eat in your burger now? people needed to kill animals back in those days to survive, let alone have a meal! its that humanity now are sooo spoiled, especially in good old america! of course this was a big sacrifice to those who believed in God those days cause that was probably there food for the week, gone cause they sinned! the meaning of sacrificing goes deeper than this though. its just the way the spiritual world works. there are witches that go doing these sacrifices NOW all the time, and they recieve power through it! and they do have power, meet a witch before you argue against this. the because od saw no good results from this covenant, he cretaed The new covenant! which was jesus becoming the main sacrifice for all humanity. as jesus became a scarifice through praying the prayer of slavtion (spiritual), then the ten commandments went from a sin beginning physically, to a sin beginning in the heart (spiritual) thats why jesus said to worry about the things of the spirit more than of the flesh. how do you sacrfice for your sin now? you pray and ask jesus to forgive and wash you in the blood that he shed on the croos for your sin to be taken away. You dont physically feel blood being coroded over you, but in the spirit!!! you are being washed! this is all done with FAITH!!!! God says a man without faith is dead! do you have faith? well of course you do, you have faith that you are not going to die tommorrow, right? ok! that proves that you are alive! so now its a matter of putting your faith in jesus to have ETERNAL life!
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Post by Godislove on Feb 28, 2005 13:34:33 GMT -5
to necroshine,
God CAN stop the devil, but he cant stop your free will to think and believe because of adam and eves failure. the devil is so low that you can stop him too, if you believed!
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Post by Godislove on Feb 28, 2005 13:48:46 GMT -5
to necroshine,
I am not catholic! I am a born again believer. I refer to exorcisms that i have experienced and think are a joke, well let me get into an experience my freind had with the same exorcisms we have in our church. we dont refer to these actions as exorcisms, but as internal healing and liberation. my freind was helping to remove this demon inside this person, and when he looked at her face, her face transformed into an evil dog looking think:quote! and she said she was going to eat him! after that experience he has never been the same and is going to all walks of life sharing jesus and how the devil is real! havent you had a supernatural experience before necroshine? i know i have seen ghosts. i played quija board once with some freinds in my room and the spirit was changing CD tracks from my cd player and knocked my fan over acroos the room. my girl freind was sleeping one day when she was about 14 years old and suddenly she felt someone push her towards her bed and pick her up and push back and forth really hard and nothing was there. she finally pushed whatever that spirit was on of her. we later did research and found out it was an incubus (a spirit that rapes!) because she said afgter that experience, she was a walking hornball! another freind of mine was walking our previous church and then she just feel down! she then started to turn a deep purple and a symbol began to appear behing her neck like an "a-star" looking thing, she was screaming and hollering. after that, she told me she felt like she was dying! HELLO, go and ask your psychologist to explain those situations! i will be intrigued to see what he/she says
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Post by Godislove on Feb 28, 2005 13:55:19 GMT -5
to enuffalready
it takes more than just me putting my hands and you falling, you must believe that it is not me and you must have faith for what you need. you need a purpose for this action to occur, of course if you do your part believeing in God, you would feel his presence. his presence is measured in weight, sometimes you will fell it light, sometimes you will feel it heavy, sometimes it will come slow, sometimes it will just sneak up on you. it just depends on your relationship with him! to be healed doesnt necessarily mean i have to go and lay my hands, some people get healed just by walking into the building of the church. its all about faith.
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Post by Enuffalready on Feb 28, 2005 17:06:41 GMT -5
to enuffalready it takes more than just me putting my hands and you falling, you must believe that it is not me and you must have faith for what you need. you need a purpose for this action to occur, of course if you do your part believeing in God Yeah, that was my point. That sort of stuff is merely a mind game. Its called the power of suggestion, you are underestimating the use of a persons own mind. As for faith healings same thing.
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