snafui
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Post by snafui on Jul 31, 2006 0:07:46 GMT -5
Sorry for a double, but looks like saint posted while I was compiling mine... so...
Undeniable? We aren't in denial here.
Scripture: It has been shown the formulation of the Canon has been violated on all three rules.
History: There is no sound evidence that a man/god came to this earth and died for our sins by the name of Jesus.
Science: Some have shown that science does not support the Bible's view of the formulation of life.
Who is the one that needs undeniable proof?
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Post by necroshine on Jul 31, 2006 6:03:28 GMT -5
The same reason most people believe in god. I was brought up in a religious family. It was put in my head that there was a god when I was born till I got out on my own. If it was not for other people telling you that there is a god you would not have ever had heard about god. You did not make up god on your own. You had to be told about god from other people. Babies are not born religious. That has to be taught to them.
It wasn’t the bible by itself, but along with everything else told me that god has never spoke to me. You have said that you have heard god voice. I have never heard gods voice and the feelings of a god that I thought I felt was just me wanting to feel something. People use to tell me many different feelings you can experience god in many different ways. To me that is a cop out, that way no matter what you feel you can say its god. If what you say is true I should know that god was in my life. Never felt it. God never came into my life. There is one reason for that. There is no sky child. And I for one am glad that the god of the bible doesn’t exist. That would be a terrible thing from what I have read in the bible.
Sorry but I’m not going to debate scriptures. For every good verse you can give me I can give you a bad one. So nether one of us are going to win that debate. You can show me where god loves us. And I can show you where god acts like a child.
As far as the snake goes, I hope you don’t believe what you posted. Really. Snakes can talk? I have heard them talk just as much as I have heard god talk. The serpent can not talk. Have you heard one do this? So what you are saying is that the devil had nothing to do with adam and eve. It really was the snake. That is crazy. Even preachers and priests will not say that. They know that snakes can not talk. And as snafui said snakes are not capable of rational thought like you and i. the snake never had this ability.
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The Reservoir Dog
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Post by The Reservoir Dog on Jul 31, 2006 21:49:20 GMT -5
Saint I am sorry but my reasons for not believing are my own and very private to me so no I can't share this with you. I don't feel comfortable posting it on a forum, I hope you understand.
Moving on I did belive because I was taught to and for a number of years I thought I felt his touch on my life and was sure he was there because of it; I later realized that what I mistook for god's touch was simply just faith in myself and my friends and family.
Sure I felt his call on my life I wanted to do work involved with charity for the furthering of his kingdom as you put it. I still do that work except now I do it for the love of my fellow man, not for god. I have had conversations with my conscience in prayer but never god; I was taught however at a young age that my conscience was god speaking to me, so then in theory the answer to this question of yours is yes I have.
I was sure I was doing his will because I was being true to myself and what I felt was right and just; that should be enough.
I am a very eloquent speaker and communicaye well with others this was my gift apparently; I used it to get people to think about what they did and whether or not it was what they really wanted, which according to the bible is what god wants from us.
I will tell you what about this world shows me that the bible is a farce; the history of this planet doesn't co-incide with the biblical events in the book. The core idea of the bible is that we where created in god's image, science has proven that we evolved. No intelligent design ever occured.
I am sorry Saint but you misinterpereted my statement that you quoted I have no want or desire to win brownie points with something I don't believe in. I simply meant that living my life according to what I felt was right should be enough for any diety since that is all we can do, the amount of praise we give them is trivial as long as we are doing good, if your god exists than surely he will understand this.
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Post by guerrillasaint on Aug 1, 2006 15:24:24 GMT -5
First Luke 3:23-38 is Mary’s genealogy. They use Joseph’s name because he was her husband and legally Heli son. (Son in law) “This theory affords a very simple explanation of the whole matter. Mary, since she had no brothers, was an heiress; therefore her husband, according to principle of Jewish law (Numbers 36), was reckoned among her father's family, as his son. So Joseph was that actual son of Jacob, and the legal son of Heli.” www.bcbsr.com/survey/sgosp1.htmlAlso son doesn’t just mean that they physically had that person it could also mean descendant. Son 1. One's male child. 2. A male descendant. 3. A man considered as if in a relationship of child to parent: a son of the soil. 4. One personified or regarded as a male descendant. 5. Used as a familiar form of address for a young man. 6. Son Christianity. The second person of the Trinity. Example: Mt 1:1 The book of the generations of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham. As I know that you noted that Matthew’s genealogy is shorter than Luke’s is because he is condensing it. Jehoiakim, Ahaziah, Joash, Amaziah these are the generations skipped in Matthew’s genealogy “It is also clear that Matthew skipped other generations between Zerubbabel and Joseph. For he lists only 9 generations, but Luke lists 18 in the same time period.” www.bcbsr.com/survey/sgosp1.html“Luke also mentions "Cainan" who is not found in the Hebrew scriptures. But Luke was going by the Septuagint, which is the Greek translation of the Old Testament widely used in Jesus' time. In fact most of the quotes in throughout the whole New Testament taken from the Old Testament were taken from the Septuagint.” www.bcbsr.com/survey/sgosp1.htmlI was wondering when you believed in Jesus did you trust him? I think that if you did you would try to figure out these little riddles that seem like contradictions. It seems to me that you ran up against something you didn’t understand and decided to give up. Was it like that? You said you believe which makes me think you had faith or maybe you didn’t have faith in him nor did you trust him because you would tried to find out what these verses meant. Either you trusted or you didn’t. No one should be able to dissuade you. How can you be sure your dog doesn’t think? Are they not problem solvers? Are not all animal problem solvers to some extent? Yes some are better than others but they all do it or they would all die. Can we not teach dolphins and Chips sign language? Don’t birds communicate with each other? Even dogs do it. See I was thinking about it yesterday and Adam and Eve we different being, perfect, so were animals. The laws that rule this world were different so why couldn't they have conversed with a snake? How far fetched is it? People do sign language to Chips and dolphins and they understand. Remember the snack was more cunning than any other animal. It also shows that it was talking in the book. Ge 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtle than any animal of the field which Yahweh God had made. He said to the woman, "Has God really said, 'You shall not eat of any tree of the garden?'"I said the serpent talked. I said nothing about snakes talking now. This is what I said It was the devils plan to destroy what God had made. (Adam and Eve) What makes history so infallible do human hands not write it? Don’t people omit things? Add things in? Isn’t science the observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena? Does this make it the truth or just interpretation of what people think the truth is. Isn’t science changing all of the time? Do they not speculate what happened in the beginning because they don’t really know do they? They just have theories of what happened. In your eyes how is that different from what I believe? They observe and make an educated guess of what happen. They don’t have solid undeniable proof the have scientific proof. So you have faith they are getting it or are right. You know what, they could be right? The question is why did it happen? There have also been accounts that people have been wrong with history and science. Why trust one thing written by man and not trust another thing written by man. Yeah, I know the Bible isn’t an exact duplicate of what was written but I have faith in my God that he will walk me through his word. You obviously have faith in your science and history written by humans of what humans have observed. (Eyewitnesses are not always perfect) Do you trust it because you can understand it? Still this isn’t what I was asking. I wanted to know what killed your faith in God. Who, or what or why was your faith snatched away. When God first visited me I was between three or five and my parents weren’t going to church. I don’t remember them talking to me about it either. I remember God coming to me though. In that instant I knew who he was. Did I totally trust him? No. Still when other people told me they thought it was a fairy tale I knew they were wrong. Remember this isn’t about religion but about God. He isn’t religious. Religion is a man made thing How are your so sure? That was from your dream about Hell post. You sound like Adam when God asked why he at from the tree. Ge 3:12 The man said, "The woman whom you gave to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I ate." Blaming him because of you choices. He doesn’t hand out punishment because he likes to he does it because there are consequences for our actions. You call your dream a cop out? As you dream stated you can stop it by asking him to remove it from you. God is crying for you, Yelling, So call back. (Just to let you know every time you say God never talks to you I am going to bring this up) Luke 15:8-10 the woman looking for the lost coin and praised loudly when she found it even though she had 10 already. Man, God is so happy when someone comes back to him who he has lost. A mother that spanks her child because he did wrong doesn’t want to harm them but there are consequence for doing wrong. What kind of love do you have if you allow those who you love continue to do wrong and hurt themselves even thought they think it is good for them? You must be taught what is right. It may not be easy and it may not feel good but it is necessary. I don’t understand. To let you know why I know it is God talking to me and not just my conscience. He had told me something or I have had an idea but I may have pushed it away because I didn’t want to do it. Then it comes back again in another form, like from my mother. What you hear from God will be confirmed either in his words (Bible) or from someone/ something else. Did you ever experience something like that?
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snafui
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Post by snafui on Aug 1, 2006 17:43:14 GMT -5
The response you gave for that actually being Mary's geneology and not Joseph's is a standard argument by apologists to try and explain this away. Yes, it is culturally correct but still falls flat. The entire concept is that Jesus was the son of God, not a human being. Read the Bible carefully and you will find that they didn't know that a woman even contributed to the creation of a child. They believed a man was wholly responsible for the child by planting his "seed" in the woman. By this concept how could it be Mary's geneology? And I did state that it was a later addition to say, "so it was thought" or "supposedly," this was done because they realized a mistake had been made. And on a critical point, you are using a geneology of people that never existed, so therefore there can be no record to justify the errors by the means you stated. Mary and Joseph were fabrications to tell a story. There is no mention of Mary in Paul's writings which came first. The Gospels were written afterwards and added Mary and Joseph to the story to give Jesus a place on Earth. Try reading others that look at this critically and not the apologists you used.
And he was condensing it? Oh that explains how the names are different? Again, apologist rhetoric.
As far as faith in history? I don't have faith in history. I question it greatly. I have several books on how what is taught in most high schools is fabrications to teach people to behave within our culture in a certain fashion. I rely on multiple accounts of history to find the variations and conclusions that can be made, you are relying on the Gospels. History changes because subsequent generations ask different questions that can often find different results. The Gospels are not history, they were not written as history. They are midrash. Midrash is a form of writing to take previous religious teachings and modernize them for current generations. To believe that these writings are history is what takes faith. This is not about faith, this is about evidence. One last thing about faith in history, in the movie Serenity, Malcom Reynolds has a line that covers it well, "half of writing history is hiding the truth." And it's the church that is doing the majority of hiding of the truth.
Let me clarify, since you didn't understand what I meant by the word "think." An animal is incapable of critical thinking. What an animal does to survive, problem solving and discovering tools, is not from the ability to think critically. And, communication between animals is not about thinking. Bugs communicate as well, surely you're not going to say that they think, are you? Once my dog starts writing her own philosophy about life and not just laying in the sun all day, then I might consider an animal to think.
And, excuse me, give up? I hardly gave up. This studying I have done has continued from when I was 16, I am now 39.
Next, trust Him? I was an evangilist that led many to Jesus, what kind of trust do you think I must have had?
My faith died when I came to learn that the Book of Revelations was a propaganda tool against Nero, not a book of prophecy. The number of the beast is Nero. He wore purple robes. The kingdom on seven hills is Rome. The description of the the beast out of the sea is a description of the Roman government. I can't get to my books right now, but the Book of Revelations is filled with these. The only reason Revelations is in the Bible is to keep peasants fearful and under the grip of the church. I debated adding this part: when I found this out I entered a major depression that lasted almost a year. It was this that made me begin to research the rest of the Bible and I've found that it is fallible. It's fallible and this why Christianity needs apologists.
I also noticed that you ignored that I stated that all three rules of the formulation of the canon were violated, so let me reiterate:
To be considered to have come from an all-powerful God, a book must meet certain requirements.
1) First, it must be transmitted to us accurately from the time it was originally written so that we may have an exact representation of what God said and did.
This was not done. There are changes from copies that have been compared.
2) Also, it must be correct when it deals with historical personages and events. A book that confuses names, dates and events has no right to claim it comes from an infallible God.
The historicity of Jesus has been called into question because there is no evidence to support His existence. And let's not go back to the geneology that has to be explained away because of it's errors.
3) Furthermore, any revelation from God should be without any scientific absurdities which would betray that it came by mere human authorship.
Do I need to bother with this one? Let's put it this way: SolidSquid have at it.
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Post by necroshine on Aug 1, 2006 19:47:14 GMT -5
Do you even understand what you say? Do you know what it is to talk out both sides of your mouth? Or do you just type what sounds correct to you? One part you say that snakes can talk and then you say they don’t talk. This is frankly stupid. Ok so they use to talk and now they don’t lets see, ok at first the snake could talk but something happened and now they can not. What could it be that happened? Could they have evolved into a non-speaking animal? No evolution doesn’t exist so they would have to be made in the form they are now. Ok maybe god did it as punishment for doing what it did in the garden. Well lets see why wouldn’t it be in the bible? No where in the story does it say that god punished the snake like that. So that is out. How is it possible that the snake can not talk now? Well I guess we have another puzzle in the bible. How about the whole story was made up? Man that sounds a lot more plausible. Ok now number 2 this is beyond reason. You say that the devil had NOTHING to do with adam and eve. Then you turn right around as say that it was the devils plan to destroy what god had made. (adam and eve) I’m clapping right now I have to applaud you. You don’t even pay attention to what you even say. Hell it seems you don’t pay attention to what you believe. Its like you grab onto any answer that is correct at the time regardless how it fits into the conversation. The only constant I hear from you in the posts you do is that you talk to god. You know he is real because you play checkers with him on Fridays. Believe me I smoke blunts with him on Saturday night, and he doesn’t really care for you. He just goes to your house because he feels sorry for you. Stop making things up as you go. The least you can do is cover it up better. It shows like a bunched up dress in a fat ladies ass. If you was on another atheist site they would had kicked you off for being a troll. This board doesn’t make it a habit of kicking people off but please try to make some logical arguments in your posts.
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Post by guerrillasaint on Aug 4, 2006 12:42:03 GMT -5
The concept is that Jesus was totally a man and totally God. Also it was the fulfillment of prophecy that he would come do the line of David.
Ge 3:15 I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and her offspring. He will bruise your head, and you will bruise his heel." (WEB) or 15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. (KJV)
can you point me to that? Also If the considered it wholly the mean how was responsible for the child then why was it a law that the Child would only be Jewish if the mother was Jewish. That doesn't make much since. They probably put Mary's genealogy in there because she was the only real blood relative on this earth and her line also lead to King David so it solidified the prophecy.
If you wouldn't mind I would like to know how you are positive that Heli is not Mary's father. Can you show me some documentation of this theory?
Can you show me why you believe this to be true?
I rely on the Bible and God and the bible, as you probably know, are organized in different categories: Law, History (OT), Prophecy (OT), History (NT), Epistles, and Prophecy (NT).
How are you certain that this is true?
You have given up your faith in God haven't you. When you came across something that you didn't understand. Just because you were an evangelist then doesn't mean that you trusted him with all or your heart. What you do doesn't matter as much as why you did it. God searches the heart because through the heart come the actions.Pr 3:5 Trust in Yahweh with all your heart, and don't lean on your own understanding. Did you ask God about what you didn't understand when you read revelations.
So did you have cross references? How did you know it was Nero?
Show me where I said the Devil had nothing to do with it. I explicitly said the devil's plan. That wasn't added. You know, someone can go to jail you have plotted to do something illegal and have other people do it. It was all the devil's plan to bring ruin to man and everyone else just went along with it. Maybe you just don't understand my writing style. So if you don't understand it please ask me to elaborate do not jump to conclusions and assume I am lying to you.
Who said that I didn't think evolutions happens?
No, I know he is real because he comes and plays Xbox with me on Saturdays because I work all day Friday. So I don't know to whom you were talking when you were smoking your blunt. But If I were you I wouldn’t let just anybody in my house when I was inebriated.
Also chill out man. You don't want to have a heart attack or something. Why are you getting so upset anyway? You think I am crazy and wrong anyway so why get angry? Let it go. Have a good day eat some pickles if you like them. Ride a bike and get out of the house. Paint or play dominos. Just don't be so angry it isn't good for you health or you life.
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snafui
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Post by snafui on Aug 4, 2006 14:05:19 GMT -5
Seed references (KJV):
Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed.... - Leviticus 12:2 And if any man's seed of copulation go out from him... - Leviticus 15:16
The woman also with whom man shall lie with seed of copulation.... - Leviticus 15:18
It says that it was Joseph's geneology, the addition of "supposedly" and "thought to be" were interpolations added to later copies. The fact that they were added later denotes that they had to fix their error and try to show that Jesus was not of human birth fathered by a human (this was an issue debated in the early foundation of the church). And you can't show documentation for a person's geneology that never existed as I stated before.
It's quite easy to show fulfillment of prophecy when you are making up a story to fit into it.
As far as the Gospels being midrash. That's because that is what they are. This is a common Jewish writing style and is known.
The dating of the New Testament writings is well known by scholars that are not blinded by faith. Look into what they have put forth. The Pauline Epistles came first with no mention of a historical Jesus on Earth. The Gospels followed later and added a god/man walking on Earth. Christianity is another mystery cult just like so many of that time period. Jesus is based on the "hero" pattern, you'll find that there were also: Mithras, Oedipus, Theseus, Romulus, Hercules, Perseus, Zeus, Jason, Apollo, and more. This was a typical belief of the day. Christianity was making it's own version to draw followers by using the "hero" template. The afore mentioned names are all believed to be mythical, Jesus was argued by many Christians during the first two centuries to also be mythical. They had to argue the divinity of Jesus to resolve it.
Go look up the circular logic thread.
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1) Absolutely! 2) Don't understand? I'm not the one not understanding here. 3) Yes it does, you have no way to know my heart, then or now. This is typical Christian arrogance you are displaying; I am a real Christian, no one else is if they don't believe like me. 4) It's not my own understanding, again this is a religious cop-out to justify illogical belief systems that don't hold up to scrutiny. 5) Continuously. I read some apologists. I read criticism as well. And I have had collegiate education on this subject. There is no logical way to justify the writings of the New Testament as divine. They are written by men, edited by men and later used by other men to justify their own means. Like I've said before, Christianity needs apologists because it cannot stand on it's own merit.
There are several books on the market that cover this topic. I can't get to my books right now but it's something like: Neron Ceasara, which adds up to 666 in, I believe, three languages.
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Post by solidsquid on Aug 4, 2006 14:57:40 GMT -5
Use the bible to prove the claims of the bible...hmmmm...can we say fallacy?
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Post by necroshine on Aug 4, 2006 18:23:44 GMT -5
I quoted you as saying such if you don’t remember what you said I will quote it again
Just go back up a little bit and you will see. If you care too.
Do you think evolution happens? What is your take on the subject?
Oh about the other crap about playing checkers and all I was making a joke but I was wanting to show you and let you know how you post two different thoughts that doesn’t agree with each other. Beside you didn’t even make a remark about the snake not talking now. You just side step that. but of course there is nothing to say. Snakes never talked anyway. For that matter adam and eve never existed. On a different note why isn’t lilith in the bible any more? She was adam’s first wife that god sent. But somehow she was removed. She is a demon by all right. But that only begs the question why would god send a demon to marry adam? Odd I know but the whole book is off anyway.
And snafui, I have to agree with squid, your in a bigger no win situation than I am here. You can not use the bible to disprove the bible because of all the contradictions in it. If that in itself doesn’t disprove the bible to the reader then nothing will. They will only choose which contraction they want to go with and just ignore the rest. Oh and make up what they don’t know and hope some one isn’t listening that knows more.
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Post by snafui on Aug 5, 2006 12:50:30 GMT -5
I wasn't disproving the Bible by using the Bible per se. It was a matter of first showing an error that later Christians had to correct with an interpolation. The response was typical, standard apologist rhetoric. The point I was making was to disprove the argument of the apologist. You can't argue that this is really Mary's geneology when they had to come back and make sure that you didn't think that Joseph was really the father. And you can't have records of a person's geneology that never existed.
Plus, I took it that solidsquid was talking about guerrillasaints statment that all she uses is the Bible for her authority on these discussions and not outside resources.
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Post by solidsquid on Aug 5, 2006 16:55:13 GMT -5
Plus, I took it that solidsquid was talking about guerrillasaints statment that all she uses is the Bible for her authority on these discussions and not outside resources. Correctamundo.
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Post by necroshine on Aug 6, 2006 6:13:31 GMT -5
Why not? The bible tells adam and eves family line. They never existed. They have jesus they have Moses family oh and nohas family. None of the people never existed in the real world. I get what you are saying. And I agree with you. Hell I’m not one to speak. I post more arguments to guerrilla than anyone. But it always boils down to “yes it is, no it isn’t” type of argument.
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Post by The Reservoir Dog on Aug 6, 2006 22:12:42 GMT -5
It's simple my faith lies in my friends, my family, and myself. because those are three things that I can depend on and I know for a fact that they are here. I realized that every decision I have ever made has been based off of my faith of those three things not any kind of diety. I can never have faith in something that I have no idea of if it is there or not.
guerrillasaint - To let you know why I know it is God talking to me and not just my conscience. He had told me something or I have had an idea but I may have pushed it away because I didn’t want to do it. Then it comes back again in another form, like from my mother. What you hear from God will be confirmed either in his words (Bible) or from someone/ something else. Did you ever experience something like that?
Of course that has happened to me that has happened to everyone I call it two people thinking along the same lines, aka coincidence. It proves nothing to me.
Guerillasaint - Excuse me, but I just going to be blunt. He isn’t just any deity he is God so why should he form the world by the rules you set down? Who are you? Did you create yourself? Did you create anything from nothing? He understands that you are proud and he hates that. Pr 15:25 The house of the man of pride will be uprooted by the Lord, but he will make safe the heritage of the widow. Pr 16:5 Everyone who has pride in his heart is disgusting to the Lord: he will certainly not go free from punishment. Pr 16:19 Better it is to have a gentle spirit with the poor, than to take part in the rewards of war with men of pride Pr 18:12 Before destruction the heart of man is full of pride, and before honour goes a gentle spirit. Pr 21:4 A high look, and a proud heart, the lamp of the wicked, is sin. Pr 21:24 The proud and haughty man, "scoffer" is his name; he works in the arrogance of pride. From one proud person (who is trying to do better) to another, lets not even talk about what God thinks about pride, let just talk about life in general. Being proud isn’t the same thing as having dignity. Being proud stops you from doing what you need to do. You get you felling hurt and think you are better than and that stops you from doing things that you really need to do. I try not to let my big head get in my own way and what God wants for me.
Once again to me he is just another idea of a diety. Also why should he form around us? Well if he loves us as much as you and other christians say he does than he should be willing to relinquish some of his power to us, otherwise he is simply a selfish child who won't share his candy bar with his friends.
Also let me be blunt I belive in science and the fact of the matter is that science has proven the bible to be historicaly inacurate as snafui, solidsquid, necroshine, and many others have pointed out on more than one occasion. So here is my blunt statment, THE BIBLE IS WRONG.
By the way I do what makes me happy as a person so if you want to call that being proud fine, I call it being true to myself as opposed to being true to something else. Changing who I am for anything including any kind of diety is the same as changing yourself for someone else; you can convince yourself your happy but you can never truly be happy, because you arn't being yourself.
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Post by guerrillasaint on Aug 23, 2006 14:20:23 GMT -5
Only one refers to a man’s seed so I don’t see who every time the bible talks about seed in relation to sexual intercourse that it is talking about the man’s seed only.
I do think you are mixing up some of what the Bible says and some old pagan beliefs.
“Classical Greek medical theory considered women to be merely vessels in which the man's sperm was incubated much like the earth was the place where sown seeds grew. In late Roman antiquity, medical theory acknowledged that women actually contributed to the formation of their children. Since it is the man's seed that initiates the pregnancy, a woman's contribution to the child was of a lesser quality than that of the man's. Yet, Stoics and others agreed that the mother contributed elements of soul as well as body. A distinct improvement from classical Greece.” (http://www.pinn.net/~sunshine/book-sum/antqty1.html)
Hero concept? Zeus was a wife beater and an adulterer Hercules was stupid and killed his wife Romulus was raised by wolves. Although the mother was a virgin he didn’t die for them he just made a city
On the surface yeah they look like the story but I guess you need faith. Also Jesus didn’t have super strength. We all can do everything Jesus did. He was human and God and it isn’t like a genetic trait like some of the Greek Myths would show you. God also didn’t raise up to be a so great king he started humble and ended humble. He had no faults unlike the Greek myths about gods.
I don’t think any of the names are mystical.
Show me. Also what does that have to do with you believing in God and Jesus. As I said before I don’t put my faith in other people’s faith in Jesus or God.
Accutally yes it does. Like I said you would still believe instead of
is that it. That is all you have to back up your statement. I would find sixes all around me if I wanted to . My middle name has six letters. My last name has six letters. And when I get married my new last name will have six letters. Hum 666. I had 3 sixes in my phone number once.
You need to read down futher and quote the right stuff. So look below this is what I stated.
Is this the way you read the bible? What I quoted is what you said and the below it I made my statement.
I think that yes animals do change and adapt over time. I don’t believe that they change into completely different animals though.
When some who believe in evolution think that the universe stared with a bang I don’t agree. Don’t you need some kind of matter to go bang with? So if you need that matter where did it come from? IF you believe that that there was a universe before that then where did it come from? Isn’t it a law in physics that matter can be made or destroyed? It can be transformed though. So the question is still there where did the matter in the beginning come from? Or do you believe in the theory of evolution of the laws of physics?
The probability to create a single protein to create life where there is none 10^191 The probability to create a single cell is 10^40,000
You have a better chance to win the lottery every day for the rest of your life than life being a chance thing.
I would have to say that is the short answer.
That is what you call a lie. That is what you would call Hebrew legend or rabbinic tradition. Not biblical. (just to let you know I am not jewish not by birth or religion)
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