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Post by pieisgood on Jan 3, 2004 21:57:28 GMT -5
Arutha- here is the flaw in your logic.
I can prove that Arutha's mafia. He could be acting suspicious, but instead he's not acting suspicious just to throw us off his tail!!!
Also, I will point out that the odds are greater that you and ck are mafia than the odds of me being mafia. If you notice, nobody is coming to my aid when I'm accused, but you and ck are very clearly together. This means that if I'm mafia, both jocapo and kaeis are my fellow mafia because they are active. If you two are mafia, either jocapo or kaeis are mafia. In other words, you are 2 times as likely to be mafia as me.
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muddog
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Post by muddog on Jan 3, 2004 22:08:24 GMT -5
I have reviewed the posts, and can find nothing in them that suggests that CK and Arutha are siblings, other than they are voting on the same person. I do have to say that I agree with pieisgood on that CK and Arutha (henceforth known as the dynamic duo) are more likely to be scum than him. Someone tell me: are scum able to "talk" to each other during the day outside of the message board?
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Post by pieisgood on Jan 3, 2004 22:19:07 GMT -5
They can talk to each other as much as they want, but only during the night which hasn't happened yet.
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Post by droskey on Jan 3, 2004 22:49:33 GMT -5
Shalom all! I'll have to wait on my vote for a little. I haven't had much time to read this thread. But I wanted you to know that I'm here.
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Post by Yaw on Jan 3, 2004 22:50:42 GMT -5
I don't see the logic for bringing the inactives into this, pieisgood, at least not as scum. Well, jacopo7531 is more likely lurking, but without any evidence that kaeis has logged into the board since this game has started, I'd be reluctant to conclude anything about him other than that he's AWOL. I'm having a hard time determining if jacopo7531's lurking is intentional or not -- if it is, it is certainly suspicious. Now, I'll admit kaeis may very well be scummy, but without anything from him at all, we're better off going after someone else and requesting replacement for him. The mafia are a team; there's more than one of them. Let's get someone who is suspicious based on their actions. We can deal with kaeis when his role is occupied by an active player (either kaeis himself or another).
The other option, of course, is that if pieisgood is mafia his teammate(s) is(are) willing to let him get lynched in order to escape being associated with a known scum. I'll agree, though, that ck and Arutha do seem to be working together. Might be innocent, might not be.
I hadn't considered the possibility that ck and Arutha were siblings; I had assumed that everyone speaking about them working together was talking about them being our Catholics. With the sibling thing, reading the initial post there's no indication about whether the siblings are both town, both scum, or one of each. There's also no indication that they can speak to one another at night. I would tend to assume not, since it isn't explicitly stated. At any rate, each of the possibilities I've listed for sibling alignment would lead to quite different strategies on the part of the siblings themselves.
To be honest, I had said multiple times that I didn't find pieisgood suspicious at the beginning. Also muddog has defended him. It wasn't until the statement about figuring stuff out that I became suspicious. I do understand the reluctance to state who the siblings are on the part of pieisgood -- if they are both town, revealing that would give the scum a two-for-one kill. It was more the wording that made me suspicious than the substance, now that I know what the substance is.
I'm still sticking with my vote for the time being. But, FOS: ck, Arutha.
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Post by Yaw on Jan 3, 2004 22:53:23 GMT -5
hehehe. I just got dysfractionated. So, jacopo7531 arrived while I was posting. I'll wait until he's had a chance to post something of more substance before deciding whether or not to change my vote. I guess it's more a placeholder for now...
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Post by Griffey on Jan 3, 2004 23:15:30 GMT -5
I'm correct in saying that the siblings don't know each other's roles, correct? Well, assuming that's right, it would be really counterproductive and dangerous to associate at all with the other sibling. Drawing attention to their relationship would make them both targets because of the double-kill thing. This is especially so when one or both are mafia, because at least one sibling knows the other's role (the mafia know each other according to the rules). Mafia siblings would want to avoid killing or voting for their sib for the obvious reason that it would kill them too.
Therefore, I find it highly unlikely that ck and Arutha are siblings, unless this is pieisgood bandwagon is reverse psychology, or a coincidence. If it was RP however it would be an excellent indicator that both are mafia members...
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Post by nonny on Jan 3, 2004 23:35:25 GMT -5
No, mafia can't talk during the day, only at night.
Yes, the sibling do not know each others roles only thier names.
Until kaeis gets here the deadling is not final i want everyone to have a chance.
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Post by pieisgood on Jan 4, 2004 10:17:33 GMT -5
well if kaeis has to be here before anything starts, no point casting an inactivity vote, neh?
unvote: kaeis
yes, I was refering to the fact that ck and Arutha had a good chance of being siblings. The reason that I asked about the policeman/woman is because I thought that either Arutha was the policeperson and had investigated ck already, they were siblings, or they were both scum. Since Arutha can't be the policeperson, they're siblings or scum; and siblings wouldn't be stupid enough to watch each other's back so much and so obviously, while scum would try to convince people to remove votes from their scum-buddies. ck and Arutha have my FOS. I'm not casting my vote yet, though. If you two can convince me what's wrong with that logic and so you two are not scum, please do so and I will remove FOS.
-pieisgood
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Post by Yaw on Jan 4, 2004 11:47:08 GMT -5
Thanks for the extension, nonbeliever. And I must say, we're getting some pretty good activity here, overall. I'm pretty happy with the way this game is going. (Meaning, it looks unlikely to get bogged down by inactivity.) Meta-comment aside, I re-read the thread. It seems to me that pieisgood is getting sort of erratic, but that isn't necessarily an indicator of scumminess. Remember, in the last game the most paranoid person was our doctor. No, I don't think our scum are likely to act in an attention-grabbing manner, at least not without any pressure on them. So pieisgood seems to be town to me, although a strange one. We still have time here, but we're going to have to start coming up with something. That means a bit of bandwagoning. I don't like the pieisgood-wagon, but wouldn't mind putting some pressure on someone else. We'll just get them a couple votes away from a lynch and see what happens. If two votes go on quickly, we'll know who our scum are for tomorrow. Otherwise, at least it'll generate some good conversation we can analyze. I personally think the most likely scum at the moment are ck and AuntieSocial (although I'm giving jacopo7531 the benefit of the doubt here, assuming he hasn't had a chance to read the thread and comment). My reasoning is that they have shown themselves to be here, but are posting relatively little and without any useful content. In other words, they seem to be trying to blend in, which strikes me as potentially scummy. I'm open to revising my opinion, though, if anyone else has other ideas. We do have to get a bandwagon up on someone, though, and pretty soon. Comments or other ideas?
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Post by Griffey on Jan 4, 2004 11:56:30 GMT -5
I agree with Yaw, that the people who seem to be saying little (but still either casting votes or trying to point fingers) are definately looking suspicious. Also during the last game, the two mafia members used this same tactic and look where it got them! Very fishy.
BTW, congratulations Yaw, you seem to have introduced a new mafia vocabulary phrase (FOS) into our game.
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Post by nonny on Jan 4, 2004 12:20:03 GMT -5
pieisgood: (2) ck, arutha jacopo7531: (1) Yaw
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muddog
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Post by muddog on Jan 4, 2004 12:29:44 GMT -5
I'm going to go with Yaw, and start putting pressure on some of the people who aren't that involved yet. Hopefully this tactic will force some of the scum out of hiding.
VOTE: AUNTIE SOCIAL
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Post by pieisgood on Jan 4, 2004 12:30:03 GMT -5
perhaps; but I think that the mafia would go and do the dirtywork for the group while the grand inquisitor blends in. This clearly points to Arutha and ck being regular scum, and one of the inactive people (Auntie, Jocapo, Kaeis) being the Inquisitor. However, if we go for the 3 inactive people and we guess wrong twice, the mafia wins; not a risk I want to take. However, if we vote for ck and Arutha and they ARE mafia, we can be absolutely sure. If we get it wrong and they AREN'T scum, then we have a second chance.
Between the 2 of them, I'd say ck is scummiest.
vote: ck
-pieisgood
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Post by AuntieSocial on Jan 4, 2004 12:47:40 GMT -5
It is very interesting how the psyche of a community will respond to hysteria...
As for my absense, I have been saddled with a nasty case of the flu, which has allowed me short periods of cohesive thought. I have been using those moments for more important business (such as peeking in on other areas of our community that may require attention and focusing on my commerce, which will ultimately feed my family should something untoward happen to me.)
I see that the propaganda machine has been busy. FOS have been pointing in many different directions ... which is why, I guess, God gave us many fingers?
Many of you are acting suspiciously, either pointing towards others to remove suspicion from yourselves, or indicting others when your own charcter hasn't been called into question. I admit that my FOS in the direction of kaeis may have been seen as something scummy, however, as stated, I do not pay much heed to the actions of my neighbours. I find that impossible, now.
Yaw has definately been on a crusade, to the point where he is checking with public records (the stalker-bar) to catalogue the activities (and corresponding inactivities) of the citizenry.
pieisgood has been directing attention in every direction, as long as it doesn't fall upon himself.
ck and Arutha are enjoying a bandwagon ride together (be careful of the hay ... I hear that rats are known to take shelter in hay and they may carry this flu thing that has hit my household like a plague) ...
Griffey appears to have signed on to Yaw's campaign, while not actually going as far as to cast a vote in unison with Yaw.
What is one to make of all of this activity? Like jacopo, I too need some time to internalise and/or rationalise the implications of these activities. I will give it some thought and (hopefully later today) I will be in a better position to cast a vote ...
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