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Post by guerrillasaint on Jul 11, 2006 11:47:22 GMT -5
I am not crazy nor do I have suicidal thoughts. I don't have to use words to talk to God. And I know that people believe in God but the don't talk to him so they truly don't have a relationship know him. "Mat. 7:21-23 Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven; but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will tell me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, didn't we prophesy in your name, in your name cast out demons, and in your name do many mighty works? 'Then I will tell them, 'I never knew you. Depart from me, you who work iniquity.'"
To me it seems like you would rather call me crazy then deal with the issues I have written on this thread.
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Post by necroshine on Jul 11, 2006 16:56:17 GMT -5
The only issues I see are you continually saying that you talk to god and you know what he sounds like. That you talk to him everyday and he talks back to you. What if you think you know god but when you say lord lord I know you and have lived my life for your glory. Do you think he could tell you to depart from him that he never knew you? If you say yes he can then how strong is your faith in him, any why follow in the first place? If you say that he will not do that because you have a relationship with him then anyone that feels like you do will say the same thing. But yet the bible says even though you do believe in him he does not know you. How can this be? I thought the idea was to believe and not burn. But you have it here that you can believe and still burn. How in the world is that correct? Given that it doesn’t matter if I do believe in this child. He could still turn his back on me, Even though I believed in him with my whole heart. Do you not see something wrong with this? And I have noticed that you have posted that line before more than once. Are you happy about that being in the bible? Do you think there is no way god could ever turn his back to you so that it doesn’t apply to you some how?
By the way I never called you crazy. I did cal you arrogant, not crazy I said for you to seek help if you are hearing voices and they are taking back. That still stands. Seek help before its too late.
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Post by guerrillasaint on Jul 14, 2006 2:03:02 GMT -5
How do you ever think that I could possibly know who God truly is without be in direct communication with him. It should not be strange to me to talk to God because it says in Job 22: 21-22 ""Acquaint yourself with him, now, and be at peace. Thereby good shall come to you. Please receive instruction from his mouth, and lay up his words in your heart." How could I ever plan to please him if I don't talk to him so he can direct my path? My life is unique and I get into stupid situations that other people don't get into. Since I didn't have to good sense to watch out for some situations I need someone to show me how to get out of it. He is the only constant in my life and is always there when I am all alone. That is why those who believe have the Holy Sprit. It is our guide and he is always with those who accepted God as their lord. That is why I know when I cry Lord Lord he will know me. He has answered me when I have said Lord Lord already so I know that when the time come he will know my Soul because he is with me right now directing my words. I am not everyone and I am not going to spend my life judging my salvations by what my neighbor does. This thing with God is personal. I know that he communicates with me. He has been doing it for over 20 yrs and I can't clam that I always listened but I can tell you he always was talking and listening.
The idea is to live for him to love him, to commune with him. Just like Adam and Eve did in the beginning. They were naked so they had nothing hidden from him. There was nothing that separated him and them. We are supposed to use Jesus as our model. He sacrifices his entire life to be a living example of how we should act towards God and all that he has created.
If you believed him with your whole heart then he wouldn't turn his back on you. He checks the heart so he would see your love for him. Those who said Lord Lord just said it but didn’t truly love him. The never truly trusted in him they went through the motions and thought that religion could save there lives. Religions is no what should be worshiped it is only God who should be worshiped.
God will not turn his back one me if I do his will. Man you act like I think my life is perfect and I am blameless. I have problems but I am just allowing God to work in my life. Sometime being a child of God is really hard but I wouldn't change if for anything this world has to offer. I want to be ready to drop anything and anyone for my God. Just like I wouldn't allow anyone get between my future husband and me. Yes, If God told me that my fiancé isn't the right man I have enough faith in him to let Marc Go. Still I already asked God if Marc was the right one so many times that God told me to stop asking him and trust what he has said to me.
Seek God before it is too late. Just to let you know I found my help a long time ago.
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Post by necroshine on Jul 14, 2006 5:45:46 GMT -5
I’m sorry but your kind of help was driving me crazy. It did not help me and I can not think of any reason how it can help me.
Many religions think you can not talk to god. You would be preaching blasphemy if you went to them and told people that you talk to god. What about all the Catholics that never hear god? They believe that they have to talk to a priest and they have to take the sin to god for them. Are all catholics going to hell? in your case and what you are saying they are. God doesn’t talk to them and they don’t talk to god so how could any catholic have a relationship with god under your definition. All catholics are going to hell because that don’t know god the way you know god. But of course you are not worried about the catholics now are you? You are a good little Christian on the fast track to heaven so you don’t have to worry about other people on earth. Like you said you are willing to write off anyone in your life for god. What does that say for your love of your family if you could turn your back on them so easily? Could you turn your back on your future child for god? Its so easy on a personal level with god. You don’t have to think about anyone else but you. That is so selfish. But god himself is jealous and selfish so it just goes that Christians try to be the same way. Have fun with that. Only care about you and your relationship with god. Don’t concern yourself with anyone else. Like I said before look into brain dysfunctions find out which one you suffer from and get some help with the voices you are hearing. That is not normal. Most people on earth do not hear voices talking back to them. So is that to say that god is going to send all them people to hell because he doesn’t talk to them?
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Post by zoul on Jul 15, 2006 13:10:08 GMT -5
Dear guerrillasaint
People who have voices in their head ar known as skitzoids. Lets say you go to bed one night and have a dream where god says to you "go and feed the homless give shoes to the poor open a soup kitchen in my name"
Now you will be a functional skitzoid. Where you have a voice in your head you believe to be god telling you to do things that are helpful to society.
On the other hand if you had a dream and god said to you "kill all the blonde haired people for these are the whores of babylon" then you would be a none functional schitzoid. Where you have a voice in your head you believe to be from god telling you to do things that are detrimental to society.
Do you see the differnce ??
All these people whant to feel special and when some one says "if you truly believed you will talk in tounges or handle snakes" so people talk in tounges and if the scriptur is right then the rightious will hear and understand. So you get a load of people saying "oooh i understand what they said" becouse they whant to be rightious. Now the snake handlers are a bit less thick on the ground, i wonder why ??
As for the part where it says those who truly believe can drink deadly poisions without harm. I think that sect of christianity died out with that jim jones fellow with the cyanide coolaide.
I truly think you are trying hard to convince your self gurrialasaint as it's not working for anyone else. But hey good luck with that.
You like everyone else on this planet have the right to believe what you whant, and we must respect peoples right to believe what they whant to believe. But we do not under any secumstance have to respect other people belief systems.
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Post by guerrillasaint on Jul 19, 2006 10:58:57 GMT -5
Like I said religion isn't what I worship Not all Catholics are going to hell. No, you are saying that they are going to hell. Also how do you know if God talks to them or not? You don't even believe in him and do you know every Catholic? If not what are you basing this statement on? To be honest I don't want to worry about anything. I'm just going to leave it in God's Hands. Well I must say that my dad would choose me over my mom and he would probably choose God over me too. Still it would be about me following what God has to say to me. I can't allow other people to hold me back when I am trying to follow God. Just to let you know these are how my priorities go, God then Family then me. That is how my family works and that is how my new family will work.( I must say I have a great family so I now that it works). All I have to do is be about God's business and he will be about mine. It is about not letting you family be a hindrance in anything that God directs me to do. You don't believe in God so how do you know it is easy on the personal level? When you are communicating with God he will show you your flaws. He will put you in situations that make you realize that your way isn't the right way. He is here to make you more like him. It isn't selfish because God is all about his children and he tell us to be charitable, to give to the poor, to love your enemy, and treat others as you would like to be treated. That is not selfish. those who belong to him shouldn't worship or put anything above him. Just like a wife shouldn't put another man or her children above her husband. That is what God meant when he said he was a jealous God. Like I said before I don't hear voices and I don't need to use words to talk to God. I also think that this is just your way to discredit my statements. Just a reason for you not to listen to what is being written. That is the worship of religion and those people like you said just want to feel important they are not looking for the love of God Who said that? Well you are thinking wrong. I am not the only one who talks to God.
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Post by snafui on Jul 19, 2006 14:07:38 GMT -5
The children do come first. It is in human nature to get your genes into the next generation and a mother, or father, will do anything and everything to ensure the survival of their children. Children come first; that is why, unless physical, sexual or emotional abuse is taking place, parents should stay together to raise those children to adulthood. If you are putting your spouse before your children then you are doing something wrong.
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Post by The Reservoir Dog on Jul 19, 2006 16:55:03 GMT -5
You don't believe in God so how do you know it is easy on the personal level? Very simple, I used to believe in god. I was a good faithful believer for over 15 years, and I know for a fact it is easier to believe and have that insurance than not to believe and not have the insurance. You assume that no one on this board was religious before we became atheists, but most of the atheists in the world were religious at some point. I myself was a catholic who attended church every sunday. I then looked at every sect of christianity, as well as most other religions before deciding that man is too fallible to believe anything they say about the spiritual world, because the bottom line is that no body knows. I already know your saying I know because he talks to me, but the truth is you don't know for certain, which you know is true. You have simply found a faith that makes you the most comfortable, which, even though many of my friends here may disagree with me on, is alright; more than that though you have stayed here and tried to spread what you feel is the word, I admire your faith though I can't say that I approve of your constant forceful nature to push your personal beliefs on us. The fact of the matter however is that we or at least I do know how easy it is on a personal level it is very very simple to believe that you have someone watching over you, and it is much more difficult to accept that you are alone.
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Post by necroshine on Jul 20, 2006 5:45:19 GMT -5
Ditto with what reservoir dog said. We have told you that before guerrilla but you are the one that will not listen. We have had a relationship with god and it didn’t do us any good. We see the contradictions in the bible you choose to ignore them we do not. That is the difference in us and you.
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Post by snafui on Jul 20, 2006 8:22:07 GMT -5
Umm... the Bible:
they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well. -Mark 16:18
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Post by Dragon*of*Heaven on Jul 21, 2006 7:55:46 GMT -5
Guerrillasaint I also was a Roman Catholic as a Child and young teenager. I am currently in a relationship with a very Catholic woman. I can tell you that there is nothing worse than wishing that you could take the easy road, give in, belive in her God, but knowing that you cant. It is torture to know that giveing in is all you would have to do to make her feel even closer to you, but that you can't give up who you are even for a person you love. you want hell, that is a hell in which I am liveing.
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Post by guerrillasaint on Jul 21, 2006 14:31:51 GMT -5
Hello everyone. ;D
I have a question for those who called themselves Christian. Did you ever pray the prayer of salvations and meant it? Did you understand what you were doing?
What is the key to a relationship? I believe it is communication right. How can anyone understand why someone does something if they don't communicate? It isn't about religion. I go to my fiancé’s parents' house all the time but that doesn't mean I know them. You know why, because I don’t talk to them. Still going there gives me the opportunity to know them but it doesn't mean that I take that opportunity. To be honest I have been dating my fiancé for three years and have only called out his mother's name once and his maybe his father's name twice.
I also believe that if you truly knew God, My God that you would still be calling yourselves Christians and you would understand some of the things I have written.
Also God doesn't live in the Church. To be honest the church is a group of people. So if you go to church to be with God then you should know that when you accept God as your savior you invite the Holy Sprit into you. That mean God is everywhere you go. Guiding and Directing you. Still you don't have to listen, which doesn't mean he went away. That is why I can talk to him daily at any moment of the day because he is always with me.
It is human nature to do a lot of things that doesn’t make it the right thing to do. The why my childhood family was run I was second to my mother and second to my father but on the same level with my sister. My father made it known that he would not tolerate any kind of disrespect to his wife. It doesn't mean that he loved me less it means that if I jumped up and disrespected my mother in anyway then I had hell to pay and it was going to come in the form of my father. My father is willing to die and kill anyone who threatens my life so I am not worried about the love he has for me. I have had a very secure family life and never wanted for love. When a husband or wife lets their children take the place of their lover then they are neglecting the one they vowed to love. You are relinquishing your lover’s authority and giving it to the Child. You are telling your child that it is ok to disrespect you wife/husband because you aren't giving them the respect that they deserve. Then the children don't receive a clear understanding of how a man/woman should be loved or how to respect authority. When you give your wife/husband the priority over yourself and your children you are creating a strong base so that your children never have to worry about divorce. You are also giving them a great example of how to love and how to respect.
It isn't easy doing everything God tells me to do. Do you think it is fun being call crazy? It is so aggravating. I am supposed to stand against a lot of things that people say that is ok in today’s society and be happy to do it. Think about it you continue to call me a liar and some people have called me a hypocrite. Do you think that is fun? Do you think that is easy? I know that some of you have felt that. I am a very antisocial person and I don't like confrontation, which was some of the reason why I didn't share my faith for so long. So me being here used to be big, but I am getting better and bolder
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Post by snafui on Jul 21, 2006 15:31:15 GMT -5
If you were in a boat and only two people could fit, would you save your child and your spouse, or your spouse and yourself? Simple thought isn't it?
Putting your children first has absolutely nothing to do with respect of the other parent. That is a completely different issue.
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Post by necroshine on Jul 22, 2006 8:10:38 GMT -5
No I never meant it. None of us on this board was ever a Christian. Please get your head out from your rear end. Please give other people the benefit of the doubt. Is it that far out of your ability to reason that we were once Christian? Can you not imagine that someone can turn away from god even after they have lived many, many years with a strong belief in god?
We do understand what you have written before. I understand a lot of points you make, I also know where they fall flat. Just like the belief in a god. I understand why you believe I understand why I use to believe, I now understand why people don’t believe in a god. Do you understand that concept?
I assume you live in the usa. Thy living as an atheist in the usa. If you want to know what it is lie to be shunned by everyone, and have family members turn away form you. Try being an atheist in a country that is mostly Christian. Try loosing your job because of your beliefs. You can stop coming to this board at any time you choose. And us telling you that you are crazy for hearing voices will stop. Our situation will not stop. We are in a mostly Christian country and that isn’t going to change soon. But I hope it does. So please don’t play the wounded soul here. You life is no worse off than any of us.
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Post by The Reservoir Dog on Jul 23, 2006 17:52:51 GMT -5
I used to say the prayers and mean them, I used to truly love god, I used to believe everything that was ever told to me regarding god; but then I read the bible, really read the bible, and realized how much of it was false, I sought out answers to my questions to return faith in god and when the answers came all they did was show me that my belief in a higher power was sorely misplaced.
You antagonize us by presuming that we never truly belived, that we were half assing it, are you really that frightened by the possibility that someone could have taken your "higher" road, seen through the clouds at the end of it, and abandoned it realizing that there is nothing there except a group of people waiting for a god that won't come? You call it faith I call it the blind leading the blind. To quote the bible on my conversion away from christianity "I was blind but now I see". Buy some glasses yourself, you may be amazed at the clarity of everything.
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